I recently saw Casino Royal and Quantum of Solace and yes they are more realistic than the Bond movies I grew up with.
But I miss the humor and crazy characters and the amazing cars and weapons, I also very much like happy endings.
I am curious as to what others think?
I just read this review:
Quantum of Solace: A Sign of The Times?
Ian Fleming’s James Bond novels were amongst the first adult books that I read as a child and first of them all was For Your Eyes Only, a collection of short stories that includes one called Quantum of Solace. In this James Bond is just the audience for a middle-aged diplomat’s confidential description of the earlier life of one of the women at a diplomatic reception; how she had flagrantly betrayed and humiliated her husband and how he had eventually avenged himself by leaving her destitute. The story might be seen as a description of some of Fleming’s feelings about his own marriage, which was more marked for bickering than much fidelity. The expression ‘quantum of solace’ is used by the narrator of the story to try to reduce the assessment of happiness in human relationships to a near mathematical equation, so he says that, where the solace derived by each partner from the other is reduced to nil, the relationship is irredeemably over. This is not a James Bond action story.
The latest James Bond film is called Quantum of Solace, presumably because, although they have run out of Fleming books, it is, at least, an original Fleming title but the film is an action film. “There’s gold in them there hills”. Unremarkable for much dialogue (let alone, any good dialogue), all of which, in any event, is mumbled by all the cast (including some spectacularly insipid ‘Bond Girls’), the film is a sequence of graphically violent, bloody episodes in which James Bond is battered to the extent to which he should actually end up very nastily scarred for life. I add nothing to the bile that has often been written about Daniel Craig as Bond; in fact, I should just say that I quite enjoyed the recent Casino Royale. But for those of us over 40, Sean Connery is the James Bond of the silver and always will be. No one lives forever (let alone twice) and most screen Bonds, after Connery, were approximations to the standard set by him. I have to say that I am sure that Daniel Craig, as an actor (it’s his job), feels very fortunate to be cast as James Bond and, within his limitations, he gives it his best shot but he overdoes the snarling cruelty, in a body that has been driven to pneumatic extremes of muscle, rivalling Popeye, and he lacks the feline stealth and the quiet panache of the Bond of the books. The earlier films, which had a story with a beginning, a middle and an end, were also true to the books. This film is true to nothing. There is no discernible plot; there isn’t even a discernible main villain; although smoking was a part of Bond’s very being, no one smokes anymore but we are treated to him drunk and slurring, in the company of the curiously rehabilitated traitor Mathis, on a Vesper Martini (which contains Kina Lillet a drink replaced by Lillet Blanc in 1986).
Is this lacklustre, meaningless, thuggish brutality what people really want in the name of entertainment?
If it is, what does that say about our times?
Reckless Reggie,
You write better than I do and I agree with your detailed observations.
I am glad that I am not the only one disappointed in the new style of Bond.
Blaming Craig is probably not fair as I am sure that the director cast the tone of the new Bond.
"Is this lacklustre, meaningless, thuggish brutality what people really want in the name of entertainment?
If it is, what does that say about our times?"
Agreed and the lack of wit and humor in the new films is sad.
And they have made Sherlock Holmes into an action hero. The charm of the original works is that any violence (the struggle to the death with Moriarity at the falls, etc.) is "off-screen".
I still haven't seen it.
I liked "Casino" very much. I think it's one of the best Bond movies ever, and the dark tone is rather better than that found in some of the earlier goofy movies. I think Craig hit a perfect 10 in "Casino".
Personally, I was disappointed by "Quantum", and I agree that it lacks depth, but I think it contributes in building the Bond persona. The fact that Ford has a multi-movie deal and has since sold its Aston-Martin's division doesn't bode well for Bond's lifestyle, I'm afraid.
The truth is that Bond is scarred for life. The earlier movies might generally end reasonably well, but very often transitory love (or lust) interests die in the process, not least of those Bond's wife herself.
I am not a fan of Daniel Craig - wooden and one-dimensional. He was poor in The Road To Perdition and other movies that I have seen. Bond should be suave, charismatic, witty and charming but Craig has neither of these qualities.
There are very few actors who have them. Michael Caine is an obvious one if he could have dropped the Cockney accent. Fleming originally wanted Richard Todd. Christopher Plummer, very under-rated, would have made a great traditional Bond. Patrick Stewart would have been ideal.
The current options are very limited - Clive Owen, Dougray Scott or even Richard E Grant.
I thought that Pierce Brosnan was pretty good. Getting a bit too old for the part, of course.
Clive Owen would be very good I think.
Clive Owen was shortlisted when Brosnan hung up his hat, but they chose Craig instead. I think he's fine. For what it is worth, female fans absolutely love Craig - he will bring in female viewers which the older movies did not have.
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Homer may have been the pulp writer of his day and perhaps it is an accident of history that some of his work survived and (for lack of any comparison) is today considered great literature. Or maybe he was the peak of his period. So much is lost we don't know. Maybe Fleming's books will likewise survive our own species near-suicide or book-burnings becuase some Bond fan kept them safe and future scholars found them and assumed they must have been masterpieces of the time because some man went to great lengths to keep them safe.
Regarding the "common touch", the Bond character as written by Fleming was never really a gent or posh. He may have adopted some of the luxuries and tastes of the upper crust(s) but he was never a member. On the other hand, I haven't read the books in over 15 years, so maybe I have forgotten something.
I have to agree with Reckless Reggie, Bond certainly seems upper class from his lifestyle.
He certainly knows what he likes.
As for the Bond books being something that will last for a long time I hope so.
Books like Shakespear's seem to last because they deal with human emotions - love, hate anger and jealousy and comedy and so on...
When reading the books I never got the sense Bond was "upper class" or the blue blood. So I think you guys, in particular Reggie, are projecting. But hey! It's fiction so it doesn't have to make sense.
Big T - it is true that Bond is a little ambivalent about his class. There's all the background that I mentioned above (which as it is fiction, at least is not my fiction), but then there are other things that muddy the waters. For example, in OHMSS he mocks the suit that he has had made to impersonate Sir Hilary Bray "Quite the litttle Baronet"; he remarks somewhere that he'd like to marry an air hostess; he dislikes lace-up shoes; he is very impatient with the first Herald that he meets at the College of Arms, suggesting that the Bonds were armigerous and associated with the creation of Bond Sreet and the discovery of the motto - "Orbis non sufficit" - for any old Etonians reading this - translated as "The world is not enough") and so on. His mother is Swiss and his father Scotch so he an outsider to the English class system but he is, I fear, just like his creator, well on the way to being on the inside of the tent peering out. Actually, most of my friends say that I would have made a great James Bond but, with a name like Reggie, hardly anyone takes you seriously: certainly not film-makers so it's a case of "full many a flower is born to blush unseen" and all that jazz.
RR.
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