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#1 2010-08-09 09:14:41

Rip Rig & Panic
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'Clothes Are Powerful Things'

The quote comes from Orwell:  'Down And Out In Paris And London'.  More so then that now, of course, after films with absurd titles like 'The Duke Wore Jeans'.  I remember, when Colin MacInnes died, hearing one of his Jewish rag trade chums on the radio, talking about how this relative of a Conservative Prime Minister (not to mention Kipling) wore some kind of denim jacket - 'what dustmen wear'.  Things have altered since Orwell's day - and the 1950s. 
I looked at this kid this morning, trailing behind his mother.  He was about ten or eleven, dressed in baseball cap turned sideways more or less, hoodie, baggie pants tucked into socks, trainers.  Beyond parody almost.  I very nearly can't recall a time when kids didn't dress that way. 

So what happened to 'fashion' amongst young men?  Girls still seem to manage it.  It tends to be appalling, but they manage it.  A guy like Chris H could explain much better than I about how quickly things changed back in the day.  What's happened since?  Is it just the English?  I don't think so.  I've seen plenty of chavs in France and Italy, too.

 

#2 2010-08-09 09:20:57

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i've always pointed the finger at American hip hop/urban style, and the day when tracksuits became daily wear (sure Casuals have been doing the sportswear thing for a long time, but not as far as hip hop took it), along with wearing everything 2 sizes too large

 

#3 2010-08-09 09:22:45

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Right, Jason, absolutely right.  But why has it lingered so long?

 

#4 2010-08-09 09:25:08

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People just can't be arsed. They do not even comb their hair or shave any more.

 

#5 2010-08-09 09:30:42

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Yes, I remember Norman Tebbit, back in the 80s, saying how people couldn't be bothered to shine their shoes.  TV shows Beckham looking like a prick, business leaders without ties...  Gompertz...  I won't leave the house without shaving...  Apparently there's still a barber in Derby who'll give you a shave, but I don't know where.

 

#6 2010-08-09 09:35:21

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I remember my elder daughter, whilst still a schoolgirl, bringing some cretin home for Sunday lunch.  Sat at the table expecting to be fed wearing his fucking bennie hat.  There were words.  Arseholes in church for baptisms, their shirts hanging out and tieless.  Cameron.  The sodding Prime Minister!  They might be slating Eden now, but he was a smart-dressed guy.

 

#7 2010-08-09 10:09:54

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Re: 'Clothes Are Powerful Things'

Zooks! I've not read this one by Orwell, or if I did, it was a long time ago and the years and whiskey in between are preventing access to what should be a strong memory. I must go find this and read.


"It is my belief that nearly any invented quotation, played with confidence, stands a good chance to deceive."
- Mark Twain

 

#8 2010-08-09 10:20:50

Quay
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Well, I am getting dotty. Have this book right in my library, although it appears I've not read it in ages. And how nice to find in the very first chapter this sentence: "The mother worked sixteen hours a day, darning socks at twenty-five centimes a sock, while the son, decently dressed, loafed in the Montparnasse cafes."

That noting of the son being "decently dressed" in the context of the opening chapter is just wonderful. A two-word detail that speaks so much. Yes, clothes are powerful things, even when described with such few words. If the context is right.

How the hell did I forget this book? Thanks RR&P for reminding me of this one!


"It is my belief that nearly any invented quotation, played with confidence, stands a good chance to deceive."
- Mark Twain

 

#9 2010-08-09 10:45:26

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Some of his essays are gems and can be read and re-read endlessly; unlike his fiction.

 

#10 2010-08-09 11:26:58

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#11 2010-08-09 15:25:13

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#12 2010-08-09 15:26:49

Rip Rig & Panic
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You'd have got double helpings!

 

#13 2010-08-09 15:29:44

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#14 2010-08-10 10:02:21

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Couldn't have married a woman who was into heavy metal. Although my missus's record collection leaves something to be desired consisting of Eros and Darren Hayes (whoever he is). 

There's certain things that are a no go with me and women: smoking, tattoos and felines who drink their alcohol from pint glasses. There's something grotesque and ugly about all of this.

Clothes are indeed powerful and if you have the right audience who appreciate finesse, its easy to give a visual edge and presence as your competitors invariably will be dressed inferior with shoes that have rarely, if ever been shined. Its no big thing, its a small thing.

And yet, it still astonishes the level of scruffiness and down right contempt that some individuals hold the organisations and those they meet in business circles in. Its not unusual for me to go to meetings and there's some smart arse with a CCCP hammer and sickle t-shirt on negotiating the contract.  And these are big multi-national companies.


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#15 2010-08-10 10:52:56

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I had to attend an interview.

Chap (on phone):  "You will dress smart, won't you?  After all, we're coming up from London".

Me:  "I'll be wearing a suit"

Chap turns up unshaved and tieless, the hoho.

 

#16 2021-12-15 12:05:40

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RR&P, of course, meant lazy c**t, didn't he?  Yes, he did. 
I've had three changes of clothing today, one for walking after breakfast, the next for lunching with my daughter and her boyfriend, the third for lounging around.  Three changes, three shirts, three pairs of outerwear and trousers. 

C**t didn't give me the job, either.

 

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