Check out this classic cheerleading post regarding Savile Row, or "The Row," as its known to those members of the "cognoscenti" who frequent the other message board fora...
"I have never purchased A & S and Poole, but I have known people who have.
I know them from the fora and the real world. They are all very well dressed and stylish.
The Poole customers are very happy. I have never heard a complaint about the workmanship. Indeed, one friend says that the vest is a work of art. An acquaintance buys all of his clothes at Poole.
As for A & S, one friend likes them very much. He has tried many famous tailors, and he is very knowledgeable about fit and make. He feels that he has found a home at A & S and that A & S is the "real deal."
Based on my limited experience with the Row (Davies & Son) I could not imagine either Poole or A & S allowing their standards to slide."
This is not as egregious as the "Bespoke Fab 5" or whatever it was called. The ratio of personal experience to opinion on that board is rather amusing.
Marc, I'm really interested in getting a suit made at Huntsman. Do you think that an internet message board is the best source of information regarding this venerable firm?
Re: the Internet conception of "Savile Row," I actually think that, armed with a digital camera, some prop suits "in progress" (canvas exposed, sleeves basted, etc.), and some other basic tools of the trade (shears, thimble, thread, drinking problem) one could just about solicit orders using only e-mail and internet message boards.
I love how these people are posting messages that are akin to hugs one gets at an AA meeting--with sleeves bunching up.
I was in J.C. Penny today buying a suit and I was appalled to find out someone from this site dropped my name....appalling...if they had wanted to take photos of MY clothes I would have gone postal. Thank God that didn't happen. I'm calm now, but it's taken quite a few martinis. Huf.
Rich, is "Stafford" a good example of the drape suit? Are cameras allowed in Penny's or is that considered indiscreet?
From the looks of what I've seen some members' suits to be, I wouldn't be surprised that their secret pleasure is J.C.Penny.
Their "occassional" bespoke is merely their wife altering their Stafford suits to an okay degree. Just okay--and they call it drape.
This "patron" seems rather interested in labels. Even if he is better dressed than most lawyers.
Last edited by Patrick Bateman (2006-12-22 22:56:08)
That grey A&S suit posted on the thread in quesiton, I like. But narrow the lapel ever so slightly and modify the gorge likewise just a hair, and you've got an Andover 2 button for the last forty years. The only thing that was odd to me was the visible sleeve seams, unless it's just the posture of the one modeling the suit.
I think that's right, and not by coincidence. The natural shoulder apparent in an A&S jacket provides a low-key ease that has also been part of the Ivy League look. Furthermore, A&S's waist suppression is MUCH more restrained than most SR houses, using only a dart at one of the side seams, instead of the usual separate piece used my most tailors. IIRC, John Hitchcock at A&S once told me that A&S could cut a dart-free front (a sack) for its customers. Don't quote me on that, and I think one would be a madman to try it.