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#1 2006-12-15 10:15:26

Tony Ventresca
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"The Good Shepherd"...a TNSIL film?

 

#2 2006-12-15 10:40:05

Tony Ventresca
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#3 2006-12-15 10:41:42

JamesT
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So far, I like the wardrobe for this film, although I would prefer to see them in braces instead of belts, but that's just me.

 

#4 2006-12-16 05:02:18

Terry Lean
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A tad early for me... but I'm very interested.

Call it Roots Ivy...

Or Ivy's Irie...

"See me in me Bass an' ting - O!"

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/gary.hart/lyricsa/althia.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeeVdiqRFBs

... Gloucestershire is a long way from Shoot-Up Hill...

te.

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You're going to rise up singing"

 

#5 2006-12-25 09:22:57

Tony Ventresca
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There is a very disturbing quote from The Good Shepherd which might give an insight into the mentality of the Ivy Leaguers of the time, or at least the elitist ones. The film's protagonist, an ex-Yale "Bonesman", played by Matt Damon, is having a meeting with a mob boss who used to own casinos in Cuba, played by Joe Pesci. The meeting is taking place just before the Bay of Pigs adventure. At the end of the meeting, the mob boss starts musing about motivations:

PESCI:
"We Italians have our family and the church. The Irish have their beloved homeland. The Jews have their tradition. Hell, even the n***ers have their music. But you, what do you people have?"

DAMON:
"The United States of America. The rest of you are just visiting."

 

#6 2006-12-26 01:51:52

richt
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I've seen the film. I can't say much about the accuracy of the clothes regarding the specific time period but I can say that the clothes are visually appealing, the kind of clothes that make you wonder, Was there really a time when men and women dressed that meticulously and stylishly, even when they were at home reading the newspaper?

And Hollywood is the last place I'd go for historical veracity . They're interested in drama and visual effect rather than accuracy. They've always been that way and always will be. Good Night, Good Luck with George Clooney is a good example. Total nonsense historically, but visually appealing.

 

#7 2006-12-26 11:18:01

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#8 2006-12-26 12:51:57

richt
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I meant the Murrow-McCarthy history. The movie made it seem like Edward R. Murrow and his staff brought down McCarthy. He was already toast; they just jumped on the bandwagon.

As to the clothes, I thought they were visually interesting, appealing, etc., but I'm no expert on the era so I can't say how accurate they are, but they sure looked swell. But imagine the dry cleaning bills with all that cigarette smoke constantly swirling around?

I've always liked the crispness and contrasts of clothes of that era. Any thoughts on their accuracy in the film? I'd imagine they did their homework. But, as I say, I'm no expert.

 

#9 2006-12-26 17:50:58

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#10 2006-12-26 18:08:03

richt
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I think you're right. I grew up in a house where both parents smoked. You just don't notice it if you live in it. But now I cough at an outdoor cafe if someone is puffing eight tables away.

Cigarette smoke sure looks great on film, though. Actually, it's getting a little cliche with all these period dramas. It's sort of a cheap way to create atmosphere.

 

#11 2006-12-26 18:42:24

Patrick Bateman
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#12 2006-12-26 21:16:34

richt
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It almost makes me want to take up smoking.

Zachary Scott. Now there's a Golden Era guy who knew how to get the most out of a cigarette on screen.

 

#13 2006-12-26 21:20:50

Patrick Bateman
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#14 2006-12-27 00:14:10

richt
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Hey, PG:

Mildred Pierce. One of my all-time favorites, mostly because of Zach Scott. I found some great phtos of him working a cigarette but I'm too daft to figure out how to upload them.

Thanks for this photo of the stylish actor in all his glory. I've read the bio. Pretty good. Such a short life, though, I wanted to read more about him but the guy died at 51 in 1965, from a brain tumor, and typecasting as a villain a la the one he played in Mildred Pierce pretty much limited his career in H'wood, though he made over 30 films. Note to TCM: How about showing some of 'em?

So he worked on the stage--rather intriguigingly. Faulkner adopted Requieum for a Nun for Scott's wife and they took it on the road to much acclaim. He had an agile mind, though I imagine no one realized this from the H'wood roles he played.

Do you have any favorite Scott films other than Mildred Pierce? Ruthless (1948) or The Unfaithful (1947) perhaps? Some of his other films are not easy to find on DVD. I think he's one of those over-looked actors because he just never hit it really big in H'wood. But certainly a man of style and memorable screen presence, don't you think?

 

#15 2006-12-27 00:47:13

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#16 2006-12-27 03:25:18

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#17 2007-01-21 11:14:22

Matt
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Re: "The Good Shepherd"...a TNSIL film?

By now, most that are going to see this film have. I have wanted to discuss the styles with those that care about such things. The movie was riveting, to me, in addition to the style issues.

Interesting points:
1. In the first post, the jacket on the faculty member had a breast pocket on both sides of the jacket. New to me.
2. White shirts were right on. Button downs were not in common business use in those days, thus the straight collars. Also, during WW II, white shirts erer very hard to find. Thus little variety.
3. Vest was a bit unusual. During WWII, vests went away with the second pair of trousers with suits. Maybe the one that Wilson had on was supposed to be a pre war purchase.
4. Interesting use of belts with strap, and slide buckle. very authentic.
5. When Wilson was unpacking in one scene, he put out two pair of cap toe bals. One brown and one black. Right on.
6. Fedora wearing, also right on.

If you havn't seen the film, you might enjoy it. Much of the history is very accurate. They changed the mess up in the Bay of Pigs invasion to make for a good story. What really happened, was that a mid level CIA employee, by the name of Ted Bissell designed the operation, trained the Cuban expats in the Florida everglades, and then managed to get the invasion launched without much knowledge in the administration. Allen Dulles had to take the fall for this.

The version in the film was more exciting, but not accurate.

 

#18 2007-01-21 12:16:14

tom22
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Richard Bissell was Deputy Director of the CIA, basically the second in command under Allan Dulles. A brilliant economist who taught at Yale, he was a key figure in planning and supervising the shipping of material and supplies during WWII and played a similar role during the Marshall Plan. He was the father of the U2 spy plane as well as the sponsor for the Bay of Pigs fiasco and the assasination attempts against Castro. Independently wealthy, he was a central figure in the founding of the CIA. not mid level by any means.

 

#19 2007-01-21 12:21:53

tom22
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Re: "The Good Shepherd"...a TNSIL film?

Matt Damon's character was a bit of a composite, I guess, but did share some biographical points with James Jesus Angleton, Deputy Director of Counter Intelligence.

 

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