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#1 2007-01-11 04:41:09

Terry Lean
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Old Names from J.Simons...

Eastland Loafers.
Buffalo Creek Traders (Loafers).

Canterbury belts (Also in The Ivy).

Geoffrey Scott Button-downs (Also in The Ivy).
Par-Ex of New Haven Button-downs.

I'm trying to think of some of the old lesser known names we don't see any more. The above were all there in the 80's but with time just like Sero & Troy they fell away.

Royce socks still exist but they're a bit flimsy now. Don't think JS still stocks them.
Russell Athletic still exists but they really went off too...

Anyone else remember some of the old US imports we used to get in Russell Street?

I first saw Carhartt in the UK in JS...

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#2 2007-01-11 04:59:53

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Thick, chunky colour-flecked, 'WS Manson & Co.' sweaters, hand-knitted in the Shetland Isles.

...


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#3 2007-01-11 06:01:09

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#4 2007-01-11 06:19:14

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Re: Old Names from J.Simons...

I've only one 'Par-Ex of New Haven' left & I just checked the label - 'Made in the Dominican Republic!'
A lovely soft roll OCBD from around 1987 I think.
How JS found all this stuff is the great thing.
Sheer enthusiasm I guess.


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#5 2007-01-11 08:19:15

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Re: Old Names from J.Simons...

Great (U.S. Ivy) names from the 60's:

ARROW
VAN HEUSEN
MAN-HATTAN
OXXFORD
HICKEY & FREEMAN
JANTZEN

 

#6 2007-01-11 08:37:34

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Re: Old Names from J.Simons...

Good idea actually -
A roll call of all the greats:

'Walk-Over' is my next contribution. Bucks & Saddle-Bucks with that Brick-Red rubber sole.


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#7 2007-01-11 11:39:52

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Re: Old Names from J.Simons...

Then there's the old, old US Ivy League import names sold in London... Ones I only know from books..

'Lion of Troy' BDs... (David's, Charing Cross Road)

'Tigers Foot' BDs made by the old 'Dickies' company... (The Ivy Shop)

I love this little told story - How clothes were worn on both Long Island & The Isle of Dogs that looked so much the same but meant something so completely different...


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#8 2007-01-11 15:53:14

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The great man used to sell Alden cordovan plain caps, wing-tips and the classic penny I recall. £200 in 1988. Wish I'd bought 2 pairs of each and gone without food for a month.

Troy Guild shirts were phenomenal. The best. It's almost unbearable to think that an Oxford cloth US button-down has never and almost certainly will never be made like that again.

I loved the Walkover buckle-boots. Not strictly Ivy, but weirdly compelling, and great with proper Levis.

Halrin chinos and cords. The perfect Ivy silhouette.

Haspel poplins and wash n'wears. So so American. They were actually almost unwearable even in London. They just looked strange because the cut was so uncompromisingly different.

He was the first to get in BD Baggies when they were Made in USA. Along with Ian in the Ivy Shop. I remember they hated them because of the two lines of stitching on the collar which they thought broke all of the Ivy rules regarding softness and subtlety. Looking back they produced some nice stuff, particularly in madras.

Those fabulous, absolutely perfect Ivy sports jackets and blazers made by Linett, with the U.S. Union stamp inside. All half-lined and so soft. Very sophisticated clothing for a prole from Liverpool like yours truly. Discovering this stuff was a heady experience. Talking of blazers, can you? I mean haven't they become a little naff? In the 80s when I was in my 20s I used to live in them but now people would point in the street I think. Maybe they did back then.

There was a wonderful Walkover suede chukka with red buck style soles that I though just reeked of a certain kind of 1962 Flamingo cool. JS tells me he may be getting in a similar kind of thing again soon. Made in England rather than US but, hey, that's fine. Better than Vietnam or El Salvador, fine though their shoe-making traditions are.

There must be more like this but I'll have to dig deep. More later perhaps.

 

#9 2007-01-12 01:47:01

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Re: Old Names from J.Simons...

This is the stuff!

'Duck Head' chinos & polos. The quality has gone way down now. Shame.

I first saw BD Baggies in a shop called 'Harrington' on Brewer Street in the '80s. Good to know JS got there first.
Harrington had Bass & Baracuta (I think) too. The rest of the shop was just look-a-like stuff.

I think a Blazer can be pulled off dressed down in London. Blue BD, White T-shirt (Hanes 'Beefy-T' or regular) showing at the neck, & a pair of Bills. Add a tie and the whole rig says something very different. A bit uptight for London.
I'm a big fan of Herringbone sack jackets more than Blazers.


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#10 2007-01-12 01:55:48

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Re: Old Names from J.Simons...

I've got a Slate Grey Haspel poplin from the old Harvard Coop ('80's again) - A very, very Ivy cut, you're right.
One day when I'm organised I want to get it copied in various different materials. I guess George in Harringay would be the man for that.
It was a suit that used to really confuse & bug people because it looked so different. Was it square? Was it Hip? What was going in with it? And that 3 to 2 lapel roll REALLY used to make people frown in London.
So funny!


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#11 2007-01-12 05:02:41

Terry Lean
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Re: Old Names from J.Simons...

From Toffeeman's post above talking about JS:


"He was the first to get in BD Baggies when they were Made in USA. Along with Ian in the Ivy Shop. I remember they hated them because of the two lines of stitching on the collar which they thought broke all of the Ivy rules regarding softness and subtlety. Looking back they produced some nice stuff, particularly in madras."


Now I've got no axe to grind... but you see how classic American clothing in London is different from the writings of the American 'experts' on AAAT?
Show me the attention to detail to compare to this.
And even cooler is that both Ian & JS put up with a nebbish like me...

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#12 2007-01-13 09:48:24

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Re: Old Names from J.Simons...

Idle question:

Halrin & Linett have never featured on the AAAT roll of honour to my patchy knowledge.
Any input here from the US?

London Ivy League seems to have 'The Look' from so many sources,
American 'Trad' just sticks to those few big names that we all know...

Why's dat den?

tel.


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#13 2007-01-13 09:56:16

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Re: Old Names from J.Simons...

Haggar (sp?) is another American name sometimes seen on London's Russell Street.
Has it been on AAAT?


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#14 2007-01-13 12:33:15

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#15 2007-01-14 01:19:40

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Re: Old Names from J.Simons...

http://www.haggar.com/gs/about.html

Their rise is a bit too high for me.

I guess that names like these belong to 'The Middle' that you talk about H.
Not very 'American Aristocrat' so probably that's why they don't get the nod from the AAAT boys.
They are however very 'American'.

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#16 2007-01-16 14:54:43

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Re: Old Names from J.Simons...


""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.

 

#17 2007-01-17 00:59:22

Terry Lean
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Re: Old Names from J.Simons...

I gotcha.
Throwing in the term 'American Aristocrat' made it look as if I was talking about the middle class maybe.
I'd say that the JS names quoted above would be largely middle-quality names by US standards.
By London standards they were quite high quality RTW (English RTW is pretty awful on the whole).


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#18 2007-07-06 09:19:31

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#19 2007-07-08 13:44:07

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Re: Old Names from J.Simons...

Sears used to have tons of stuff that could be considered affordable Ivy, and I also particularly liked lots of things from McGregor, the sporting goods company, especially a '60s vintage brown wide-wale corduroy car coat with plaid wool lining that a girl of my acquaintance appropriated from her father.  (I make no claims about any of the things sold by either company after the '70s.)

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#20 2007-07-08 13:58:30

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What of Botany 500?

Lucille de Paris made nice leather articles in exotic hides. They used to come with a card explaining how to use Simonitz car polish to care for your item.


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#21 2007-07-08 16:09:07

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#22 2007-07-09 01:03:01

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Re: Old Names from J.Simons...

And I imagine that we are talking about the days when Ivy was everywhere in the U.S.?

Mid-budget, Department store Trad!

Ivy for Everyone!

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#23 2007-07-09 08:43:14

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#24 2007-07-09 08:54:07

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