regarding those goats: Can you imagine the different mental state that is required to accept, unquestioningly, that it is possible to stand on those little rocky ledges? Those goats do stuff the world's greatest (human) mountain climbers would take hours to figure out, and the friggin' goats do it at a run, real-time in other words. Completely different mental thought processes involved. Despite my size, I have always had a good sense of balance and lightness but only when moving quickly; if I try to stand still I lose my balance in seconds. I wish parkour had been around when I was kid, it would have been teh perfect sport/exercise for me; always keep moving (good philosophy for life - Cary Grant said that's how he kept slim and healthy, he never stopped moving).

Jesus, I haven't looked at this thread in a while, but the one time I do, we've got animals and mingers.  Nothing's changed.