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#376 2010-12-03 15:08:27

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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#377 2010-12-03 15:12:34

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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)


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#378 2010-12-07 16:19:03

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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)


"What sort of post-apocalyptic deathscape is this?"
"I don't want to look like a cock hungry sailor after all !!!"
"When it comes to infidelity, broken families, and reckless fatherhood, the underclass are amateurs."

 

#379 2010-12-08 11:16:06

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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)

But its not real money, its a load of electronic ponzi scheme transactions that has created tens of millions of $'s worth of crippling debt out of the trailer town where Jesco White lives with Norma Jean. Only crony capitalism has such potent powers. And still it continues, its greedy, ever needy mission to reduce the world to the living conditions of untermenschen.

If vampyre's exist, and indeed they do, you can rest safe in the knowledge that through enlightened marketing, they're working in banking and looking to get their four quarts of plasma from you over a couple of decades at least. Its your sons, daughters and grandchildren they'll be planning on sucking the marrow out before their prime.  Of course with no easy oil left and the current exposure of our mediocre and contrite elites, anything is possible in the next half hour.


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#380 2010-12-08 11:24:07

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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)

Wait till we and (mostly) our children have to repay it and it will feel plenty real.

 

#381 2010-12-08 11:33:54

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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)

I think something will happen in between to eliminate the debt and possibly quite a few lives too. I dunno' the last couple of weeks, with all the continuing banking crisis, cyber attacks and Wilkileaks, the stage seems set for a grotty and post-industrialised West: jobs gone that will never ever come back, will we end up like Mexico? Or India? Then I remember the industrial might of Germany, and events don't seem that terminal.

At least in Oil & Gas there will be massive up turn in 2011, particularly in the Pacific rim and Australia. The question is, how to get there from here?


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#382 2010-12-16 15:46:19

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"What sort of post-apocalyptic deathscape is this?"
"I don't want to look like a cock hungry sailor after all !!!"
"When it comes to infidelity, broken families, and reckless fatherhood, the underclass are amateurs."

 

#383 2010-12-16 23:18:33

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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)

That's usual leftist hogwash.  The president got an extension of unemployment benefits - an increase in social spending, wealth redistribution, whatever - in exchange for a *continuation* of the current tax levels.

For the sake of semantics, let's agree that:
- When your tax rate go up from t0 to t1, that's a tax increase;
- When your tax rate go down from t0 to t1, that's a tax decrease;
- When your tax rate stay flat from t0 to t1, that's a non-event.

The Republicans didn't get to the house on the wings of a deficit fear, but on one of a state that has grown too large.

The deficit is a red hearing.  Everyone wants to shrink it at some time.  What the right wants in that context is a lower deficit - eventually a small or null one - combined with a small state and low taxes - i.e., low "redistribution".

 

#384 2010-12-17 07:01:10

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< roll eyes >

You sound like those die-hard marxists who cast everthing in terms of "social revolution" and the "class struggle" ("libertarion awakening" in your case). The world has moved on.

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"What sort of post-apocalyptic deathscape is this?"
"I don't want to look like a cock hungry sailor after all !!!"
"When it comes to infidelity, broken families, and reckless fatherhood, the underclass are amateurs."

 

#385 2010-12-17 08:19:24

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#386 2010-12-19 01:15:21

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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)

I was with my mucca whose in the banking and insurance world the other day, and he's been analysing stats from the 1930's and now and he says the trend is even more apocalyptic than back in the Great Depression. Of course, you have to factor in the predatory effects of the speculators.

His view is that the domino effect will keep on going with more bale outs.  The end result will be massive State intervention and planning of our Financial services. He believes more banks and insurance companies will fail.

He predicts the big money in banking and insurance industries will go as the State has to come in and manage and bail them out as they can't run themselves. 

He expects France will be the next to wobble and as for the City and New York: its all mirrors, smokescreans and tricks with chemicals.  He predicts the speculation that the Euro will split will most definitely happen and there will be conflict between the Northern block and the Southern block which will include France.

In his apolcalyptic outcome financial services will collapse either in individual countries or globally, which will usher in an era of demagogues and military rule.  Of course, being in the industry that has caused our present problems, he has no solutions.

He warned though, that the move now in industry is away from China and to India, which is an agragrian country with no real industry capacity, other than a massive population explosion.

His reasoning is that we are well and truly fucked.


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#387 2010-12-19 03:13:26

formby
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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

Souvent me Souvient

 

#388 2010-12-29 09:26:17

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"What sort of post-apocalyptic deathscape is this?"
"I don't want to look like a cock hungry sailor after all !!!"
"When it comes to infidelity, broken families, and reckless fatherhood, the underclass are amateurs."

 

#389 2010-12-29 11:54:57

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#390 2010-12-29 13:30:50

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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)


"What sort of post-apocalyptic deathscape is this?"
"I don't want to look like a cock hungry sailor after all !!!"
"When it comes to infidelity, broken families, and reckless fatherhood, the underclass are amateurs."

 

#391 2011-01-04 01:21:00

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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)

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#392 2011-01-04 08:03:02

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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)


"What sort of post-apocalyptic deathscape is this?"
"I don't want to look like a cock hungry sailor after all !!!"
"When it comes to infidelity, broken families, and reckless fatherhood, the underclass are amateurs."

 

#393 2011-01-04 08:20:24

Big Tony
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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)


"What sort of post-apocalyptic deathscape is this?"
"I don't want to look like a cock hungry sailor after all !!!"
"When it comes to infidelity, broken families, and reckless fatherhood, the underclass are amateurs."

 

#394 2011-01-04 09:06:35

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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)

What is he waiting for?  Wasn't he supposed to release those before the end of the year?

 

#395 2011-01-09 00:21:54

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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)

Some USA employment stats that are depressing:

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=176723

An interesting editorial from Jon Snow on the other problem we face:

http://blogs.channel4.com/snowblog/late-put-radical-genie-bottle/14380

More doom, America goes socialist, but not by choice:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/8248108/Dambisa-Moyo-without-change-US-will-almost-certainly-become-a-socialist-nation.html

Last edited by 4F Hepcat (2011-01-09 01:05:02)


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#396 2011-01-09 03:36:07

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#397 2011-01-09 06:57:32

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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)

I love this:

It certainly hasn’t stopped her from becoming a pronounced free marketeer.

“I think the markets can work in a managed way,” she says. “If they’re left to run rampant it’s obviously problematic, but I think they are the best way of delivering economic benefits and have been shown to be the method to generate the biggest economic benefits to the highest number of people.”

Er....isn't that a contradiction?


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#398 2011-01-09 07:30:48

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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)

Yep.  Still an interesting analysis.

 

#399 2011-01-09 14:52:57

Big Tony
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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)


"What sort of post-apocalyptic deathscape is this?"
"I don't want to look like a cock hungry sailor after all !!!"
"When it comes to infidelity, broken families, and reckless fatherhood, the underclass are amateurs."

 

#400 2011-01-09 15:53:22

Big Tony
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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)

^
Regarding the article I posted immediately above, I would like to say I believe the writer is 100% wrong and 10 to 20 years behind the times.


"What sort of post-apocalyptic deathscape is this?"
"I don't want to look like a cock hungry sailor after all !!!"
"When it comes to infidelity, broken families, and reckless fatherhood, the underclass are amateurs."

 

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