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#1 2011-03-04 08:14:25

The_Shooman
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Top industry shoo-man talks about Grampa KISS

There has been alot of negative talk on the forums from folk who are misunderstanding Mr Kiss’ shoe making abilities. l thought l would give an experts view on why some of the KISS leather uppers don't fit right.

Mr X said that Mr KISS is a very good shoemaker. So he should be, he’s made over 5,000 pairs of shoes, so he does know what he is doing. The poor fit of some uppers is NOT his fault. Forum folks say that it is a lasting problem and that Mr KISS doesn't know how to last a shoe properly, but if you look at some of his shoes, it is obvious that he does know how to last a shoe properly. The problem solely is the fault of the pattern maker. Mr X explained how the pattern should have been drawn and cut, and said that if it was done properly the upper would have slipped over the last properly. See Fritzl, Mr KISS is awesome, he knows what he’s doing. Some folk criticise his crooked welt stitches, but no big deal, the man is very old, + it adds character and shows it’s clearly handmade.

 

#2 2011-03-04 09:48:36

fritzl
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Re: Top industry shoo-man talks about Grampa KISS

this means a lot to me.

many thanks


"I'd give all the Champagne I've ever drunk to be playing alongside him(Eric Cantona) in a big European match at Old Trafford." George Best(1946 -2005)

 

#3 2011-03-04 12:53:36

Cruz Diez
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#4 2011-03-04 14:33:09

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"For our new boots, we wanted the hide of something vicious and bloodthirsty and that devoured all before it in an orgy of rampant ferocity. But Margaret Thatcher wasn't dead yet."

 

#5 2011-03-04 15:41:41

fritzl
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Re: Top industry shoo-man talks about Grampa KISS


"I'd give all the Champagne I've ever drunk to be playing alongside him(Eric Cantona) in a big European match at Old Trafford." George Best(1946 -2005)

 

#6 2011-03-04 15:47:17

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Re: Top industry shoo-man talks about Grampa KISS


"I'd give all the Champagne I've ever drunk to be playing alongside him(Eric Cantona) in a big European match at Old Trafford." George Best(1946 -2005)

 

#7 2011-03-04 16:03:33

fritzl
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Re: Top industry shoo-man talks about Grampa KISS


"I'd give all the Champagne I've ever drunk to be playing alongside him(Eric Cantona) in a big European match at Old Trafford." George Best(1946 -2005)

 

#8 2011-03-04 17:59:24

The_Shooman
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Re: Top industry shoo-man talks about Grampa KISS

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#9 2011-03-04 21:52:04

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Re: Top industry shoo-man talks about Grampa KISS


"Any formal attack on ignorance is bound to fail because the masses are always ready to defend their most precious possession - their ignorance. "
— Hendrick Van Loon

Better to be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

 

#10 2011-03-04 22:16:25

John Rotten
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Who fuckin' cares, if someone wants perfection, there are plenty of machine made shoes with a statistically enforced exact number of stitches per square inch to satisfy the most anal of anal retentives..

 

#11 2011-03-05 00:31:11

fritzl
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Re: Top industry shoo-man talks about Grampa KISS


"I'd give all the Champagne I've ever drunk to be playing alongside him(Eric Cantona) in a big European match at Old Trafford." George Best(1946 -2005)

 

#12 2011-03-05 00:46:43

fritzl
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Re: Top industry shoo-man talks about Grampa KISS


"I'd give all the Champagne I've ever drunk to be playing alongside him(Eric Cantona) in a big European match at Old Trafford." George Best(1946 -2005)

 

#13 2011-03-05 06:59:45

The_Shooman
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#14 2011-03-05 08:04:23

isshinryu101
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Gentleman, this is an incredible thread... along with some of the others along the same vein that were recently started.

When I get some free time this weekend, I'm gonna grab some popcorn, some Wild Turkey 101, and try to really digest some of the fabulous info.  Keep it up, in years to come, these posts will be THE place to get some VERY special shoe-making insights NOT available anywhere else.

 

#15 2011-03-05 08:19:02

The_Shooman
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Re: Top industry shoo-man talks about Grampa KISS

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#16 2011-03-05 09:07:52

John Rotten
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#17 2011-03-05 09:19:49

fritzl
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Re: Top industry shoo-man talks about Grampa KISS

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"I'd give all the Champagne I've ever drunk to be playing alongside him(Eric Cantona) in a big European match at Old Trafford." George Best(1946 -2005)

 

#18 2011-03-05 10:18:09

Cruz Diez
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Re: Top industry shoo-man talks about Grampa KISS

How can there be one and only exact solution of centering something in a space that isn't symmetrical, i.e the toe box? It's a matter of aesthetics and sense of taste and proportion which are subjective to some degree.

Again, some people here overanalyze way too much.

 

#19 2011-03-05 15:47:29

interested observer
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Re: Top industry shoo-man talks about Grampa KISS


"Any formal attack on ignorance is bound to fail because the masses are always ready to defend their most precious possession - their ignorance. "
— Hendrick Van Loon

Better to be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

 

#20 2011-03-05 17:54:34

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#21 2011-03-05 23:37:48

fritzl
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Re: Top industry shoo-man talks about Grampa KISS

Last edited by fritzl (2011-03-05 23:43:30)


"I'd give all the Champagne I've ever drunk to be playing alongside him(Eric Cantona) in a big European match at Old Trafford." George Best(1946 -2005)

 

#22 2011-03-06 03:03:41

Cruz Diez
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#23 2011-03-06 05:00:08

interested observer
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Cruz:

Have you ever made a pattern for a shoe?  Have you ever even read about how to do it, in detail?   Do you know what a forme is? 

In lastmaking, which has direct relevance to pattern making, do you know what the center line of the last is, and how it is chosen?

You are wrong.  End of story.  Capiche?


"Any formal attack on ignorance is bound to fail because the masses are always ready to defend their most precious possession - their ignorance. "
— Hendrick Van Loon

Better to be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

 

#24 2011-03-06 05:28:01

Cruz Diez
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#25 2011-03-06 06:44:06

fritzl
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"I'd give all the Champagne I've ever drunk to be playing alongside him(Eric Cantona) in a big European match at Old Trafford." George Best(1946 -2005)

 

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