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#201 2011-05-08 16:36:00
- Grossgrain Silk
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Re: God Bless Marc Grayson
I'm not playing stupid little games with you. Your quote from the Torah has always been interpreted, by every authoritative commentator, as referring to Jews. See, for example, the Rambam (Maimonides) Sefer Hamitzvot (The Book of the Commandments), positive commandment No 206 (Loving our neighbour). The Rambam - who is taken to be the foremost authority by every single Orthodox and Conservative decisor - makes it clear in his positive commandment 207, which is to love the stranger. He expressly says that the commandment is limited to the covert.
Your ignorance is shameful in one who professes to be Jewish. Your willingness to misquote your own religion to make an unpleasant point about another religion is revolting.
Christianity, of course, demonstrated its view of the bible by killing Muslims, Jews and its own alleged heretics by the thousand. The injunction to love your enemy was interpreted as being applicable only when your enemy accepted Christianity.
Your point founders on your own wilful ignorance, fed by a determination to hate Muslims. Don't lie to us or yourself - you don;t hate Muslims because of your understanding of their Holy Book. You hate Muslims because you hate lots of people and you search their Holy Book to find an excuse to make your miserable hatreds palatable. Vile.
#202 2011-05-08 16:53:01
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Re: God Bless Marc Grayson
"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not." Oscar Wilde
#203 2011-05-08 17:01:36
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Re: God Bless Marc Grayson
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"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not." Oscar Wilde
#204 2011-05-08 17:09:11
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Re: God Bless Marc Grayson
Last edited by Marc Grayson (2011-05-08 17:10:02)
"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not." Oscar Wilde
#205 2011-05-08 17:18:27
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Re: God Bless Marc Grayson
Last edited by Marc Grayson (2011-05-08 19:02:59)
"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not." Oscar Wilde
#206 2011-05-08 17:57:20
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Re: God Bless Marc Grayson
My Rabbi tells me not to have anything to do with religion... Instead he stresses meeting new people for drinks & a nosh.
His is a faith I can very happily agree with.
#207 2011-05-08 17:58:18
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"It is my belief that nearly any invented quotation, played with confidence, stands a good chance to deceive."
- Mark Twain
#208 2011-05-09 01:45:37
#209 2011-05-09 06:07:34
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"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not." Oscar Wilde
#210 2011-05-09 07:40:48
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Re: God Bless Marc Grayson
I wonder if I'd rather be a monkey or a pig?
Monkeys have a lot of fun, I suspect.
#211 2011-05-09 09:57:20
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Last edited by Marc Grayson (2011-05-09 10:03:53)
"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not." Oscar Wilde
#212 2011-05-09 10:10:34
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Do stop being stupid. The point - which you have not addressed - is that every halachic decisor from ancient to modern interprets these strictures as being confined to fellow Jews and converts. However much you read what little you have that is the position. The Rambam is the major halachic authority and that is what he - and everyone else - says.
Accordingly you citations are more of you failing to deal with an inconvenient reality which your own ignorance and arrogance has caused you to miss.
I am not interested in the games. You want to cite verses from the Quran - go ahead. Your point that Islam is any different from the other religions is bollocks. Any message of universal love now preached by those religions comes from a period way after those religions were founded. In Christianity's case, about 1500 years and probably longer (after all, your lot are getting worked up about Romney being the wrong kind of Christian, let alone a Jew or a Muslim or a Hindu or a Buddhist - none of whom have ever been President). In Judaism's case 3500 years and counting.
That's it really. We know you hate Muslims. But then you hate so many people, including anyone who disagrees with you about anything ever. It's boring and, I'm afraid you are too.
#213 2011-05-09 10:14:31
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#215 2011-05-09 10:23:10
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"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not." Oscar Wilde
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#217 2011-05-09 10:26:46
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"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not." Oscar Wilde
#218 2011-05-09 10:27:05
#219 2011-05-09 10:31:00
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"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not." Oscar Wilde
#220 2011-05-09 10:39:09
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"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not." Oscar Wilde
#221 2011-05-09 10:41:03
#222 2011-05-09 11:03:29
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"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not." Oscar Wilde
#223 2011-05-09 11:30:21
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#224 2011-05-09 12:58:32
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"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not." Oscar Wilde
#225 2011-05-09 13:29:17
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Last edited by Marc Grayson (2011-05-09 13:46:35)
"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not." Oscar Wilde