Plenty of alcohol and good strong 'baccy and microbes turn and run for the wall; as for rotting foods: I think that should rather die than never again to eat mature cheese or a well-hung gamebird and, my goodness, the very thought of never being able to crunch and chomp through a steak and kidney pie, followed by lemon meringue, or bangers and mash and onion gravy, followed by chocolate bomb!! No amount of feeling fit could possibly compensate for these things. No booze, no 'baccy, no meat, no hot puddings, just celery sticks and raw sprouts! Bring me my pearl-handled revolver and let's have done with it!
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When the fuck did Film Noir Buff mutate into Virology Now Buff.
(See how I slipped the word mutate in there. Clever that )
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shooey - Campbell book The China Study has not received much support from a scientific analysis - there are severe limitations on his raw data to drawing the conclusions he does and even on his own data it is possible to draw differing conclusions.
There are significant questions over the raw data (no pun) as much of it was drawn from Chinese sources during the Cultural revolution I believe.
His promotion of eating substantial portions of raw whole unprocessed foods in diet is consistent with most other recommendations and is hardly news - the rest of his "correlations" with cancer etc are not yet replicated and are not even substantiated by his data.
Campbell cherry picks his own data to select only that which conforms to his preconceived ideas around food.
One example: Campbell conveniently fails to mention the county of Tuoli in China. The folks in Tuoli ate 45% of their diet as fat, 134 grams of animal protein each day (twice as much as the average American), and rarely ate vegetables or other plant foods. Yet, according to the China Study data, they were extremely healthy with low rates of cancer and heart disease; healthier, in fact, than many of the counties that were nearly vegan.
campbell - like a lot of zealots suffers from confirmation bias and sees patterns and correlations that he goes looking for.
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Mr. Shooman -
It's clear from the nearly manic tone of your posts that you are happy with your new diet. I think thats wonderful and I salute your efforts.
But I do find some of your pseudo scientific language grating. Subjects like food 'instability', 'stomach elasticity', 'pre digestion' and 'fat being replaced by muscle' ( without the necessary resistance training to create it ) and a whole host of other zingers that you love to sprout are simply hogwash and have no basis in medical science.
Eat what you like, enjoy it, but please knock off the weird justifications and accompanying bad science.
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I wouldn't worry about science Shooey, you have faith, you don't need inconvenient factual evidence when you're in rapture to the joyous wonder of sprouting raw happiness that makes you want to cry because you and your fellow raw foodies are so much more pleasantly smelling than those stinky, horrid normal people with their limited stomach digestive tracts full of cooked and fermenting food. Ugh! What a pong!
Yeah, right.
Cultist twoddle I am afraid, still we've seen the evidence of what happens when you allow yourself to be injected with sheep dung DNA by one of the "gurus".
And that's why I've just poured myself a two finger Greenore 8 year old Irish whiskey, with the same amount of raw H2O and by fuck it tastes good.
So far as I know, mankind was created an omnivorous hunter-gatherer. Horticulture and agriculture came later. I once had a divorce case, in which the husband had turned veggie and this, princiapally, was the ground on which his wife sought divorce. The ground was specified as 'unreasonable behaviour', as the wife and the children remained omnivores and the husband's new 'habit' was alleged to be injurious to the well-being of the family. A sub-ground was specified as the allegation that the husband's defecation produced a most horrible stink in the house. The sub-ground was admitted by him. It might be, of course, that the husband had not yet got the balance between alfafa and broccoli just so...but, nevertheless, my own observation (in part, vicarious, but admitted), puts the relative nastiness of the stink of various creatures' faecal deposits in the following descending order:
1. Vegetarian males of a certain age;
2. Cats;
3. Dogs;
4. Omnivorous humans, with a tendency to: aperitifs; wine, beer, digestifs and a good cigar.
Well-being is all very well, but one should have regard to the well-being of the whole family...
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G&T with lemon.
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Abit of an over reaction, no? l just give my opinions and talk very straight. Why let it bother you. l am only a bloke who is saying what he thinks, it's no big deal.