Last edited by jsprowls9 (2007-02-10 09:01:42)
Eton's usage pre-dates the writing of 'Peter-Pan'. The 'real' Eton collar is HUGE also...
But you are spot-on, the Club we see here on the MBs is a 'Peter Pan' or (In the '70's in England) a 'Penny Round'.
Extend it & you get the 'Beagle' collar, also of the English '70's.
Checking Rackham's illustrations for Peter Pan the boy has a ragged pointed collar. Same with the statue in Kensington gardens I think. The rounded thing must come from a stage production. And it was a play NOT a book first.
All those 'lost boys'... what was Barrie on about? (Don't ask, don't tell!)
t.
Interesting stuff.
Hypothetical history ofthe club collar in 10 steps
Maybe:
1. Boys wear Eton collar at Eton. Like those hats at Harrow, it becomes a trademark of boys going to that school. As in, when there are a bunch of boys getting on the train after vacation, you can tell the Eton ones by the collar.
2. American prep schools have always imitated famous English schools like Eton.
3. One of them, or various students at all of them, participate in the English Speaking Exchange Program, at Eton.
4. They return to America, with some of those Eton shirts. They wear them around campus. They are considered interesting, edgy, weird, or otherwise attention getting.
5. Brooks representatives have already seen this interesting collar when in England.
6. As these boys grow up, they ask if Brooks can make the collar.
7. Brooks can.
8. These boys, their friends, their distant admirers, and soon the whole Ivy gang adopts the club collar.
9. 10 years later these boys are out of college and at country clubs.
10. Brooks markets it as the Club Collar.
I buy that.
They're 'Strats' not 'Hats' at Harrow, btw. 'Straw hats' said quickly, doncha know!
t.
Edit: Really those hats are Winchester, I am informed. It's all the same to me!
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I think I finally figured out what "trolling" means. I had the image of a "troll", like something you expect to find in Norse mythology, but it just occured to me it means like a fisherman dragging a line and seeing what he can catch. Sort of makes more sense now ...
Duh
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Perfect post.
You're pretty Cool, Cooly.
Class insults are now the insult of choice I notice - these things go in fashions - Time was wear a Club & those who hated you would call you a Queer. When was all that? Late 70's?
Wear a Club now & they'll call you a snob.
Horace will know the chorus to the Special's 'Pearl's Cafe': "... It's all a load of B*llocks, and B*llocks to it all..."
t.