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#626 2011-08-03 12:00:21

Oo Bop Sh'bam
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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)

Well you say that, but the Rockafeller family is on of the biggest beneficiaries from the Fed, and the Fed is what America is actually indebted to, or at least pays credit too when it prints money, The Fedral Reserve is a private bank, and really has destroyed any sense of democracy in the country, as it has the money and power to wrap every politician round its finger.

I'm no way an advocate of the Murdoch's either, but his network backing the far-right tea party group, really won't be pleasing anyone concerned with the Fed still having it's license to print money, every time America needs some cash.

JFK weeks/months before he got shot said he planned to stop using the Fed and print American issue Greenback dollars, same as Lincoln did, for some reason they both appeared to get shot???

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#627 2011-08-03 12:21:37

Big Tony
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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)


"What sort of post-apocalyptic deathscape is this?"
"I don't want to look like a cock hungry sailor after all !!!"
"When it comes to infidelity, broken families, and reckless fatherhood, the underclass are amateurs."

 

#628 2011-08-03 12:26:12

Oo Bop Sh'bam
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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)

Forget taxing rich individuals, your biggest companies avoid paying billions of corporate tax owed to American's. That'd save a few pennies, but for some reason the government is happy with them not paying tax which is legally owed by law. Mainly because these people would probably be taxing themselves and not receiving full interest on the money they lend.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2011/03/ten_giant_us_companies_avoidin.html

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#629 2011-08-03 12:38:44

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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)

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#630 2011-08-03 12:50:48

Maximilien de Robespierre
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#631 2011-08-03 12:53:24

formby
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"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#632 2011-08-03 12:54:40

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"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#633 2011-08-03 15:52:25

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#634 2011-08-03 16:03:22

Oo Bop Sh'bam
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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)

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''If I can't share my faith in Christ here, I'd just as soon not have to put up with people advocating drug use.''

 

#635 2011-08-03 16:35:52

Big Tony
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"What sort of post-apocalyptic deathscape is this?"
"I don't want to look like a cock hungry sailor after all !!!"
"When it comes to infidelity, broken families, and reckless fatherhood, the underclass are amateurs."

 

#636 2011-08-03 16:37:26

Big Tony
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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)


"What sort of post-apocalyptic deathscape is this?"
"I don't want to look like a cock hungry sailor after all !!!"
"When it comes to infidelity, broken families, and reckless fatherhood, the underclass are amateurs."

 

#637 2011-08-03 16:49:40

JDelage
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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)

What do you guys think would be the right effective tax for someone making $1M a year?  I'm talking about this ratio: (Total taxes paid) / (Total income generated).  Let's not argue about where the income comes from (e.g., capital gains or otherwise) - just what effective tax rate do you think would be appropriate.

How would that change for someone making $100M in a year (presumably they don't make that income every year, but what about this one year)?

JD

 

#638 2011-08-04 03:38:58

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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)

I pay 52% tax on all of my wages except for the first 30%. That’s because I am fully in the system, the problem is always with those who set up limited companies and have off shore banks and employ various strategies to avoid tax. You can come up with a figure that is a fair and an equitable tax for those making $1M a year, but the problem is implementing it. I know many self employed individuals who pay very little tax as they ensure they are non-resident in all locations and have various accounts and companies. This is the problem. Why should these individuals not contribute to society whilst I pay 52% tax?

Up until a decade or little more, the UK was set up to ensure that those who were self-employed could pay very little tax legitimately. Between 12-18% fully in the system, depending on how sneaky you were. They tightened down somewhat and things have changed. Those self employed engineers and consultants have squealed and complained, but they’re still better off than honest joe suckers like me. Of course greed takes over and you generally find, certainly in oil & gas, that many of these characters are being chased by several tax authorities and often end up retiring in their mid-50’s to obscure South China Sea islands or seedy flesh pits in Thailand.

As for globalisation, during the 30’s the UK brought in many tariffs and protectionism with the Commonwealth and they avoided the worse of the Depression unlike the UK and in the later half of the 30’s there was even a mini-boom all down to protectionism.


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#639 2011-08-04 04:42:24

fxh
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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)

Heppie is that standard Nederlands rates?

 

#640 2011-08-04 07:41:22

JDelage
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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)

Wow, gold is above $1,675 today...

 

#641 2011-08-04 09:23:33

Simon
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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)

When I was a young man I worked markets selling fruit and veg, 15 years I did that, never paid any income tax at all. Fuck em.


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#642 2011-08-04 12:11:01

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Vibe-Rations in Spectra-Sonic-Sound

 

#643 2011-08-04 14:03:25

formby
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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)


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#644 2011-08-04 14:26:41

formby
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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

Souvent me Souvient

 

#645 2011-08-04 14:53:35

Maximilien de Robespierre
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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)

The Revolt of the Rentiers begins:

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Dow-average-plunges-513-worst-drop-since-2008-1719730.php

TARP v2.0 may soon be released.

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#646 2011-08-04 14:59:29

formby
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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

Souvent me Souvient

 

#647 2011-08-04 15:15:50

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#648 2011-08-04 18:51:14

fxh
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#649 2011-08-04 19:47:27

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#650 2011-08-04 21:10:21

JDelage
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