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#726 2011-09-07 16:02:12

Big Tony
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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)


"What sort of post-apocalyptic deathscape is this?"
"I don't want to look like a cock hungry sailor after all !!!"
"When it comes to infidelity, broken families, and reckless fatherhood, the underclass are amateurs."

 

#727 2011-09-09 00:11:23

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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)

Here we go, keep pushing them, but please asset strip first:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8751180/Germany-pushes-Greece-to-the-brink-in-dangerous-brinkmanship.html


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#728 2011-09-15 07:22:34

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"What sort of post-apocalyptic deathscape is this?"
"I don't want to look like a cock hungry sailor after all !!!"
"When it comes to infidelity, broken families, and reckless fatherhood, the underclass are amateurs."

 

#729 2011-09-15 11:20:26

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The University of Nottingham, that explains a lot! There's kids leaving there with MSc's who can't string a covering letter for a job application together in English. Their CV's are interesting too. And they keep telling us they haven't dumbed down the education system, may be not for the natives. But for the legions of foreign students who pay more in tuition fees, then you bet your life they have. Seriously, we had some applications for a position from there, and the candidates with two degrees could not write in anything other than a pigeon English. Unbelievable.

By the way, the lawyers for the banks are operating sophisticated search engines that are picking up negative comments and with particular reference to comments on financial newspaper editorials, are then sending threatening letters to the newspapers and if someone leaves a link to their blog, then they will be contacting the individual threatening to take action of they don't remove any negative comments. They don't dig the word on the street.


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#730 2011-09-15 11:30:19

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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#731 2011-09-15 11:38:03

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A mate of mine has PhD in Physics and works in banking insurance and he doesn't make anywhere near what I would consider someone of his educational level and in that industry would earn.

I read in some editorial when the crisis first started an insider stating that you would not believe the menial levels in the banks who were earning million pound bonuses before the proverbial hit the fan.


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#732 2011-09-15 17:12:14

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"What sort of post-apocalyptic deathscape is this?"
"I don't want to look like a cock hungry sailor after all !!!"
"When it comes to infidelity, broken families, and reckless fatherhood, the underclass are amateurs."

 

#733 2011-09-15 17:41:16

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#734 2011-09-15 23:00:11

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#735 2011-09-16 09:14:54

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"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

Souvent me Souvient

 

#736 2011-09-16 12:54:06

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#737 2011-09-16 12:57:40

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#738 2011-09-26 00:52:21

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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)

Life expectancy is going up by a lot. Whereas the average Australian would not have expected to see 50 in 1885, the average Australian now can expect to live beyond 80. The same trend goes for both developed and developing countries. For the world as a whole, the World Bank reports that life expectation has thus crept up from about 52 in 1960 to 69 in 2009. And the increase is greatest in poorer countries, so there is even increased equity in terms of life expectancy by country.

    There are more of us every year, but the numbers are stabilising. According to this source, we used to be with no more than 50 million some 3000 years ago, reached 1,5 billion in 1900, now count close to 7 billion, and can expect to be with close to 10 billion in 2050 after which a reduction is expected. Whilst the increased number of humans, who can all expect to live longer than our ancestors ever could, is itself a sign of success, the expected peaking, due to reduced fertility levels virtually everywhere in the world, is also very good news because it means the old nightmare-scenario of a Malthusian melt-down is now highly unlikely.

    We are less and less violent. Trends in murders and homicide are at incredibly low levels from an historical point of view: whereas our hunter-gatherer ancestors were believed to kill off about 1 in a 100 every year, modern Western society sees one homicide per 10,000 as very violent, corresponding to exceptionally violent countries like the US. More normal levels are in the order of 2 per 100,000. Globally, the trends have even been going down in the last 10 years. Trends in armed conflict also speak of exceptionally peaceful times. The Upsalla Conflict Data Program thus collects statistics on how many combatants die in total in organised conflicts around the world. The basic facts are that the period just after WWII was easily 5 times as violent as the 1980s per capita, whilst the 2000s are easily twice less violent again than the 1980s. The trend for the last 10 years too has also been clearly downward in per capita terms.

    Less of us are poor and more have access to basic facilities (clean water, sanitation, literacy, etc.). Global output growth in 2011 is in the 2-3% range, the vast bulk of which in poorer countries. Great news for inequality reduction hence.

    We are getting happier as the poor amongst us are getting richer. As one can see from the World Value Survey, the relation between income and happiness is very robust by country and we furthermore know that countries who escape dire poverty also increase their happiness. So the world as a whole is almost certainly getting happier. Even within countries that are in an economic downturn like the US, the average life satisfaction is about as high as it was before the downturn.

 

#739 2011-09-26 07:54:12

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I am always wary of stats. I use them every day and manage to twist the same numbers into all sorts of different meanings, and I'm an amateur!

I would say that if we remove wars and the statistical outliers like Stalin then violence by the state against its people is rising. I think this will be the trend of this century: even supposedly democratic rule-of-law states using force more and more often (and freely) against its citizens. Ironically, the traditional heavy handed states are getting softer. I guess we are headed for a statistical mean, although it will mean the first world nations have to accept more state thuggery. I'm not happy with that but getting rid of civil government is not the solution.


"What sort of post-apocalyptic deathscape is this?"
"I don't want to look like a cock hungry sailor after all !!!"
"When it comes to infidelity, broken families, and reckless fatherhood, the underclass are amateurs."

 

#740 2011-09-26 11:15:19

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"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#741 2011-09-26 11:58:15

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Britain has too many cops in the wrong places. I can drive from here and half way across Germany and I will be lucky to pass a police car, in the UK I will have been passed several times and another half dozen unmarked cars will have filmed me in the hope I will speed and then they will give me three points on my license and a couple of hundred pounds fine.


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#742 2011-09-27 20:36:18

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#743 2011-09-28 05:50:12

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#744 2011-10-01 14:33:22

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Athens, street level:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/8799364/Greece-is-slipping-into-the-abyss.html

All across Europe the lights are going out and this is peace time.


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#745 2011-10-04 05:02:27

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(Tempe, Arizona) — Economic activity in the manufacturing sector expanded in September for the 26th consecutive month, and the overall economy grew for the 28th consecutive month, say the nation's supply executives in the latest Manufacturing ISM Report On Business®.

The report was issued today by Bradley J. Holcomb, CPSM, CPSD, chair of the Institute for Supply Management™ Manufacturing Business Survey Committee. "The PMI registered 51.6 percent, an increase of 1 percentage point from August, indicating expansion in the manufacturing sector for the 26th consecutive month, at a slightly higher rate. The Production Index registered 51.2 percent, indicating a return to growth after contracting in August for the first time since May of 2009. The New Orders Index remained unchanged from August at 49.6 percent, indicating contraction for the third consecutive month. The Backlog of Orders Index decreased 4.5 percentage points to 41.5 percent, contracting for the fourth consecutive month and reaching its lowest level since April 2009, when it registered 40.5 percent. Comments from respondents generally reflect concern over the sluggish economy, political and policy uncertainty in Washington, and forecasts of ongoing high unemployment that will continue to put pressure on demand for manufactured products."

PERFORMANCE BY INDUSTRY

Of the 18 manufacturing industries, 12 are reporting growth in September, in the following order: Wood Products; Petroleum & Coal Products; Food, Beverage & Tobacco Products; Apparel, Leather & Allied Products; Nonmetallic Mineral Products; Machinery; Miscellaneous Manufacturing; Transportation Equipment; Plastics & Rubber Products; Printing & Related Support Activities; Chemical Products; and Computer & Electronic Products. The six industries reporting contraction in September — listed in order — are: Primary Metals; Textile Mills; Furniture & Related Products; Fabricated Metal Products; Paper Products; and Electrical Equipment, Appliances & Components.

 

#746 2011-10-04 11:30:57

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Double dip + depression + erosion of the middle class + more unmemployment + rapid transfer of wealth from West to East = Bang!


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#747 2011-10-04 13:08:11

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#748 2011-10-04 17:55:57

fxh
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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)

G sorry about injecting facts. I'm often accused of the same devious tactics in real life.

I know one swallow does not a summer make but it seems to me their is bit of evidence suggesting that USA may crawl out of recession and not slip straight into a full blown depression.

I'm guessing , without knowing much, that USA is in fact a collection of economies of different regions. It's a 3 or4 speed economy, and that parts can be in depression, others in recession, some in good steady state, and a few others in minor booms.

 

#749 2011-10-04 20:48:12

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#750 2011-10-04 21:01:57

fxh
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Re: How Low will it Go? (Dow touched down to 7882 so far)

As I see it USA is benefiting from the PIIGS crisis,  in that with Greece etc in hiatus/ unresolved, there is flight to USA bonds, curiously itself a vote of confidence in USA, if the EU fixes the PIIGS, properly, (I'd vote to let Greece default and devalue) then I suspect USA will dip down again.

 

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