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#1 2007-03-17 06:19:34

Terry Lean
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"U". and "Non-U." Revisited - By Hillyer & Lean.

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#2 2007-03-20 01:27:05

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Re: "U". and "Non-U." Revisited - By Hillyer & Lean.

Related goodness:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highbrow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_culture

 

#3 2007-03-20 01:32:32

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Re: "U". and "Non-U." Revisited - By Hillyer & Lean.

20- it's U to be a friend...or (better yet) a sometime-acquaintance of Dorothy

 

#4 2007-03-20 02:04:53

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#5 2007-03-20 03:34:03

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Re: "U". and "Non-U." Revisited - By Hillyer & Lean.

Serious point:

Life 'over the rainbow' has never been a problem for anyone but the very middle-middle class in England. Any kind of 'non-conformity' gives them the twitch in fact.
How about America? I sense that there's a real lack of comfort about homosexuality just going by the MBs, is there a class dimension to this too in the U.S.?

Just curious...

... But then I was born curious...

t.


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#6 2007-03-20 03:41:18

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Re: "U". and "Non-U." Revisited - By Hillyer & Lean.

I think the US tends to be absurdly homophobic, or at least obsessive about sexuality. Americans are notorious for not liking to acknowledge class differences, though I think this tends to be a lower middle class attitude. The lower classes in America tend to be rabidly intolerant of anything but conventional heterosexuality.

 

#7 2007-03-20 04:17:06

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#8 2007-03-20 11:51:15

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Re: "U". and "Non-U." Revisited - By Hillyer & Lean.

I'd also ascribe it to the whole Purtian/Protestant ethos of America as well as the overall conservative social landscape that is America. As far as mainstream America is concerned, New York, LA and SF are as strange as a Klaus Nomi video.

Conventional Americans are very disturbed about falling from the "norm" or being seen as an "outcast" since it might affect their success or how their (bourgeois) neighbors might perceive them. Unlike in Europe, the upper-classes of America are insanely concerned about appearances. Just look at all that sham Trad posturing on the other fora.

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#9 2007-03-20 12:29:51

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#10 2007-03-20 12:33:42

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Re: "U". and "Non-U." Revisited - By Hillyer & Lean.

Yes, that's an interesting point. I've read that the Boston Brahmins--America's aristocracy--were rather tolerant of what we might term as "alternative lifestyles" and certainly didn't really care in the way that today's conservative contingent do. But then, Boston Brahmins are a more liberal bunch.

The Asian demographic has emerged as a very Christian/Protestant group and are rather influential in suburban politics, I suspect. African-Americans have always been rather conservative, except maybe during the Harlem Renaissance--their Baptist churches attest to the whole conservatism.

Interestingly, Roman Catholics are more lenient.

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#11 2007-03-21 02:13:45

Terry Lean
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Re: "U". and "Non-U." Revisited - By Hillyer & Lean.

It is an interesting point about our Catholic friends -
I think it's their notion of 'Love the sinner, hate the sin' which gives them their broader understanding of human nature.
They seem to understand that people do what they do, even though they still condemn it.
My Protestant background hates the sinner maybe even more than the sin. To sin being a sign of weakness...
The Catholics seem to accept that humans are inately weak, while the Protestants blame the sinner personally for his/her failings.

Maybe that's just my experience of the church in England & not much more than that.


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#12 2008-05-10 07:33:31

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Re: "U". and "Non-U." Revisited - By Hillyer & Lean.

ol' Waugh.  His comment on the "Man on the Street" is priceless.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/audiointerviews/profilepages/waughe1.shtml


""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.

 

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