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#26 2012-12-12 06:19:12

Sammy Ambrose
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#27 2012-12-12 06:34:47

fxh
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#28 2012-12-12 07:26:14

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#29 2012-12-12 16:13:12

fxh
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#30 2012-12-15 08:57:53

Ed13
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Re: What Are You Listening WITH Advances(?) in Sound - PONO Neil Young

I am a serious listener but don't consider myself an audiophile.  Audiophiles to me seem to be more interested in picking apart minute details in the music rather than taking it in as a whole.  Details are important for what they add to the overall performance.  High frequencies, mid range and low frequencies must also be in balance.

Vinyl and reel 2 reel are the two formats I use for serious listening.  A common mistake with vinyl is that two of the same albums will sound the same.  This is not often the case.  Different pressings, quality of vinyl used, worn metal masters, etc. all make a difference.  Two records that look the same with the same dead wax inscriptions can sound very different.  Side A of an album can have different characteristics in sound to side B.  I often purchase multiple copies of the same album trying to find the best sounding copy.  There is a company in California called Better Records that does the listening tests on multiple copies and charges accordingly.  I have purchased a number of albums from them and have found once sceptics have heard the pressings I obtained they often admit it was worth the investment.  As Hepcat mentioned, many first pressings have great sound but at times 70's repressings from labels like Decca (London) or Bluenote can actually sound better at a much lower cost.  I have very few modern reissues remaining in my collection as they can often be bettered by 60's and 70's vinyl.

I think one of the most important aspects for good sound is the original master.  This is the main reason I got into R2R.  I have obtained original master tapes, safety masters, record cutting masters, duped masters, etc. and if the original recording is not great or missing things as stated earlier they can't be replaced.  A pet peeve I have is new remastered releases where the engineer tries to "fix" a problem while often losing something else in the process.  My opinion is the closer you can get to the original master the better, flaws and all. A well recorded album with a tape as close to the original master as possible can sound truly incredible. 

I don't pretend to know as much about digital music as most but I do have my own litmus test which is simple, "How long can I sit down and listen to music?"  I don't know the reason but I have noticed as I listen to cd's or even digitally recording vinyl I get fatigued and anxious.  I begin looking for something else to do and have a hard time staying in my seat.  While I may like the material, it doesn't captivate me.  I have had many instances of listening to analog recordings on analog front ends that have lasted 8+ hours.  Time seems to stand still as each album ends too quickly.  I have never experienced this with digital.

Good listening.

 

#31 2013-01-27 05:19:22

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Bump for this, as I've just purchased one of these beauts and a ruck of cassettes to go with it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mmmLbNR8pA


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#32 2013-01-27 06:17:02

fxh
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Re: What Are You Listening WITH Advances(?) in Sound - PONO Neil Young

ha - you funny old bugger - I've just tossed out a box full of cassettes

I do have 3 players still though - not even sure if they work.

I have to do some work connecting cassette players up to the PC with some software to convert stuff over to digital and burn on CDs. Some of it is radio programmes I did years ago. One lot with a bloke who is now dead and his mate would like some copied but no one has cassette players any more.

 

#33 2013-01-27 07:25:33

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There's a whole cassette tape underground going on and they've asked me to lead them to that promised land of warm tropical analogue sound. Friends have tried to stop me, warning me I better rip the sounds down to hard drive before the tapes disintegrate before my ears. But they don't know that sweet desert caravan of tape sellers on ebay is filled to the brim of rare delight for next to nuthin'!

Ebay is full of the goodstuff, sadly some merchants are trying to rip-off the punter with excessive prices, but a bit of searching and you will find it cost effectively.

If anyone has some decent tapes PM me please.

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#34 2013-01-28 08:28:00

Chévere
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Re: What Are You Listening WITH Advances(?) in Sound - PONO Neil Young

How do you deal with tape hiss?
Still have some old cassettes hanging around, and a player...


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#35 2013-01-30 04:36:49

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What the herd man considers tape hiss, my eradite and sensitive ears pick-up as a warm patena of exotica sounds......

To be honest, the cassette deck hasn't arrived yet, but there's Dolby B and other functions relating to the tape itself that allegedly eliminates the hiss. We shall see.

I was a big fan of the Aiwa walkmans in the 80s and that sound cannot be beaten. MP3 just doesn't come anyway near.

The cassettes themselves have started to arrive from obscure cassette tape only dealers based in Germany, Belgium, Wales, the Australian outback and Nebraska. They all want to be my friend. Must say the delivery time from Australia is getting pretty impressive these days, less than a working week.


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#36 2013-01-30 05:17:54

fxh
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This is an important marker in your decline.

 

#37 2013-01-30 09:54:58

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Actually it arrived today, and although very sadly I was at the funeral of a baby of a friend, this allowed me to listen to quite a few cassettes.

And having played around with all the knobs and set the dials, it is a definite improvement to CD, at least from this perspective.

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#38 2013-01-31 04:10:37

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#39 2013-02-01 12:35:05

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#40 2013-02-01 12:43:53

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#41 2013-02-01 16:55:15

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Many years ago, when I was at university, I had a vacation job assisting in an experiment commissioned by a well known audiophile manufacturer.  This involved (in part) AB and ABX testing of vinyl and CD sound sources.  Unsurprisingly the experimental subjects (all audiophiles) could readily distinguish between the sources, and the "quality" of the recording was evaluated.  In short, the people who liked vinyl just didn't like CD, and vice versa. One day the engineer conducting the experiment added pops and clicks, and a little wow and flutter, to the CD recordings.  This arm of the experiment was liked by the vinylophiles, in strong preference to the unadulterated CD recording that they derived from, and in preference to the same recordings on vinyl.


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#42 2013-02-01 22:11:08

fxh
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#43 2013-02-01 23:22:43

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Re: What Are You Listening WITH Advances(?) in Sound - PONO Neil Young

It's like any medium, it has its limitations and its about working within the limitations to get the best out of it.

Digital cameras for example, I've yet to see a decent B&W image captured that can compete with the silver art of B&W film decently processed and printed. The quality of B&W is inherent in the physical medium of film. The same with records and tapes, there's qualities and limitations in each medium. As a gentleman amateur, I can eschew CDs or take the time involved in using film cameras.

Its all part of the fun that has been challenged in the instant digitalized culture of the now.


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