Again I think you're off the mark Shoo, governments are typically made up of too many view point to have one single agenda, I mean look at Robin Cook and the Iraq war are you telling me they're all minions of evil? I would say elements look to carry out agendas like the neo-cons, but the broad paint strokes people like you use to describe the workings of the world really undermines what really is happening, and what can be done in order to change things. Over simplified to the point of ignorance, even though you declare it as enlightenment.

Anyway the real figures on gun crime in the Uk for the most recent one I can find is

59 firearms-related homicides in 2006-07

of which 9 of those were young people.

Either way America is a violent society, and the 2nd amendment was created at a time it took a minute and a half to reload a rifle, I'm sure it is probably worth a revision.

It's probably MOSSAD shoo, they've caught up with you.

Will finds another way to laud the iGents' Messiah (or Nazi sympathiser to most) - http://asuitablewardrobe.dynend.com/2012/12/the-duke-was-right.html

"I was reminded of the late Duke of Windsor once again the other day. You see, at one point some years ago the online menswear fora were enamored of a trousermaker whose standard make included buttoning flys. Naturally, I acquired several pair, which I regularly regret every time I wear them (I leave the circumstances to your imaginations) .

It was the Duke of course who as one of his many clothing innovations popularized the zipper fly, a productivity enhancement that by now has saved billions of man-hours (I did not try to calculate it precisely but think about all those trouser wearing men saving a couple of minutes each day for the past fifty years). Like any apprenticeship business, tailoring tends to be a slow moving institution and without the Duke there is an excellent chance we might all still be fumbling with our trousers.

Unfortunately, the presence of buttonholes makes replacing the buttons with zippers one of those tasks (another is removing belt loops from trousers). It can be done but not well, and so I will be remembering the Duke for years to come."

Are we honestly expected to believe that it is difficult for a tailor (especially the original maker) to reply button flies with zips? My friend had it done (well) to many pairs when he developed a neurological problem that affected his hands.

Last edited by The_Shooman (2012-12-27 06:28:18)

l knew it wouldn't be long before ole Drip English was featured again. Drip always makes high quality inanity.

Walmart has taken to selling uppity British tweed jackets which apparently have slits at the sides on the back of the jacket. Brits just walk around like that, instead of getting a tailor to 'finish' the jacket.

http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/forum/showthread.php?120934-Harris-Tweed-at-Walmart&p=1356135#post1356135

The craftsmanship of a Walmart jacket? That's worse than not recognising a sidevent.