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#1 2012-12-27 02:28:59

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Lesson 1 - Basic Colour work

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#2 2012-12-27 06:42:08

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Re: Lesson 1 - Basic Colour work

MGP said: "A chef for instance would know what ingredients give what flavours in order to balance a dish, this really is no different."

To follow your analogy, I think of the whole color balance thing as just one of the ingredients contributing to the balance, playing off some of the other "ingredients" mentioned in another post (fit, fabric, emotions, context, etc.).

To make things a little more murky, the importance of color relative to the other variables also varies upon circumstance, mood, etc.

Finally like all rules or guidelines (or systems, or whatever you might want to call them) artistry and stimulation are more often achieved by inspired undermining of such guidelines than by adherence to them.

So I am enjoying your color education and it will probably influence me at some level but I doubt consciously, as thinking too much about such things kinda kills the moment.


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#3 2012-12-27 06:54:27

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Re: Lesson 1 - Basic Colour work

No I disagree, what surpasses theory is not disregarding what came from before but understanding it then moving it forward, we stand on the shoulders of what went before. That is the basis of advancement of knowledge.

If you look above I feel as though the first example has a more masculine look to it than the second. Why should that be the case? That is the root of expression through abstraction and symbolism in art. But it is just simple mathematics, which to me proves this isn't just this or that, ie, maths vs. artistic expression, they are intrinsically linked and only when understood from both angles do you get the complete picture. SOme of the world's best painters were also advanced colour theorists. You can't bend the rules if you don't know them.

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#4 2012-12-27 07:13:12

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Re: Lesson 1 - Basic Colour work

I'd also say that if you are interested, learn it, it is really not difficult, and the more you consider it, the more it tune your instincts, so you can enjoy creating on an intuitive level.

I think Bruce Lee's opinions on learning are worth considering, as I agree all this should be is a foundation to free expression, but an informed expression.

The Three Stages of Cultivation — The first is the primitive stage. It is a stage of original ignorance in which a person knows nothing about the art of combat. In a fight, he simply blocks and strikes instinctively without a concern for what is right and wrong. Of course, he may not be so-called scientific, but, nevertheless, being himself, his attacks or defenses are fluid. The second stage — the stage of sophistication, or mechanical stage — begins when a person starts his training. He is taught the different ways of blocking, striking, kicking, standing, breathing, and thinking — unquestionably, he has gained the scientific knowledge of combat, but unfortunately his original self and sense of freedom are lost, and his action no longer flows by itself. His mind tends to freeze at different movements for calculations and analysis, and even worse, he might be called “intellectually bound” and maintain himself outside of the actual reality. The third stage — the stage of artlessness, or spontaneous stage — occurs when, after years of serious and hard practice, the student realizes that after all, gung fu is nothing special. And instead of trying to impose on his mind, he adjusts himself to his opponent like water pressing on an earthen wall. It flows through the slightest crack. There is nothing to try to do but try to be purposeless and formless, like water. All of his classical techniques and standard styles are minimized, if not wiped out, and nothingness prevails. He is no longer confined.

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#5 2012-12-27 07:57:29

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Re: Lesson 1 - Basic Colour work

I agree that mastery of fundamental technique is frequently a prerequisite for inspired genius (i.e. even such supposedly "spontaneous" abstract expressionists as Pollock, etc mastered technique first. And I don't fundamentally disagree with you about the importance of color.
Better to let others explain why they pick a bone with your contentions but mine is not that what you're saying is not true, rather that in the general scheme of "dressing" oneself color is just one ingredient and not always the most important.
And since I'm doing this for very subjective reasons to begin with I tend to spend more time analyzing other ingredients that matter more to me for now, such as fit, form, fabric, etc.
Funny that color is less important to me in clothing as I take at least 5-10 photographs a day and 60-70 on Wednesdays so I have to be very conscious of light, background colors, skin tones, etc. and it is not unusual for me to spend 15-20 mins on wednesdays just doing some quick color corrections using the color wheel. But there it is. My attraction to clothing is not closely tied to color.


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#6 2012-12-27 08:02:42

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Re: Lesson 1 - Basic Colour work

You should read up on Pollock's work and fractals.

Also what you say is true, colour is only a factor in dressing, but I'd say quite a big one, just in the same way rhythm is important to melody.

Or a better analogy is cooking, texture, taste, colour. There is an array of things to balance. First probably being the fit, so proportions. But for me colour has a special appeal. It can ruin an outfit just as much as a poor fit.


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#7 2013-01-06 13:59:54

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Re: Lesson 1 - Basic Colour work

over the xmas break with everything shut and all i had some time to dig out some old 'style' books that i bought years ago .. i still dont understand for the life of me what flusser is on about when he talks about how to combine colours with your complexion .. muted / high contrast etc .. anyone able to make head or tail of this?

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#8 2013-01-06 14:49:57

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Re: Lesson 1 - Basic Colour work

Flusser! That's the one I meant was pre-op!

I've never read the book so I can't comment, I would say avoid dressing to your skin's natural tone, so I avoid, pinks and yellows (not jaundice). It's strange really cause my tailor at work is black and he also looks crap in the same colours I do, even though we have completely different complexions.


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#9 2013-01-06 15:06:08

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Re: Lesson 1 - Basic Colour work

When you look at the pictures in the Flusser book you can clearly see that they've been doctored.

I've never been an advocate of the colour/complexion thing.


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#10 2013-01-06 15:12:58

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Re: Lesson 1 - Basic Colour work

^They have been doctored, which utterly undermines the slim truth they are supposed to reveal. It's not total tosh though - some colour schemes are more flattering than others, dependant on complexion and hair colour etc. Still, not really to be considered unbreakable rules and to be allowed to dictate your choice of tie.


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#11 2013-01-06 15:22:37

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Re: Lesson 1 - Basic Colour work

The colours "theory" in Flusser is impossible to understand but for the essential truths. That is your look, skin tones, hair colours (and hair length/curls etc  I would add) and as Ms fxh keeps insisting ad infinitum, eye colour, makes a difference to what looks good, bad or great on you. (Free tip - hardly anyone can wear yellow (which is why ecru is for advanced class only) close to skin - in a shirt say - without looking like an aged Chet Baker hangin out for the man on a bad night - worse under fluorescent light)

Despite the over thinking of Flussers colour thing in his book I've no doubt at all that Flusser could use his knowledge of colour and contrast intuitively to dress someone very very well. As could our own Oooey.

 

#12 2013-01-06 15:29:49

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Re: Lesson 1 - Basic Colour work


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#13 2013-01-06 15:39:47

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Re: Lesson 1 - Basic Colour work


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#14 2013-01-06 15:49:03

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#15 2013-01-06 16:28:40

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Re: Lesson 1 - Basic Colour work

I can almost see someone like *** pull out a spectrometer and notepad when shopping. Don't let them find out about this esoteric knowledge.


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#16 2013-01-06 16:41:53

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#17 2013-01-06 16:55:13

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