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#376 2012-12-27 10:18:32

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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?

 

#377 2012-12-27 11:00:46

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#378 2012-12-27 16:50:00

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#379 2013-01-02 06:32:00

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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?

Like it or not, he will always make a living as a writer on clothes. I cannot see what all the fuss is regarding his perks of the job. Travel writers get expenses paid holidays. Wine writers get favours. Such is life.

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#380 2013-01-02 12:48:40

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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?

^^ In all cases, the key issues are trust, credibility and influence.

Without written disclosure in the article or blog post, how can the reader know which of the products and merchandise were paid for in whole or part? Do bigger discounts and higher value freebie(s) result in more favourable reviews by a journalist that the reader perceives to be independent?

There is a substantial risk that a quality product could get a poor review or critical commentary because the supplier did not offer the journalist the requested discount. An inferior free product or company could receive better reviews because the journalist received a large discount. As a result, readers could choose the inferior product/company and waste substantial sums of money.

Let's take cruises as an example, e.g. a person choose a company on the recommendation of a journalist or travel agent who has received a free or substantially discounted holiday. The holiday turns out to be a rip-off or disappointment and the customer wishes that he had chosen a competitor who does not offer free or discounted cruises to journalists or travel agents. Hope that you did not choose Royal Caribbean after reading a favourable review in a paper, magazine or a blog. wink


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#381 2013-01-02 15:39:46

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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?

But aren't there substantial differences between ciritcising a cruise and a tailor? You can't judge a cruise based on pictures but you can do this with a suit. Even if the service of a tailor is, as a consequence of bribing, deemed excellent, an ill fitting suit will speak for itself. If it doesn't look good, words will not make much of a difference or a least I hope so. Manton's AS experience springs to mind, though I would like to know about the amount of lurkers who choose artisans beacause of their reputation on the forums.

I never understood why people are willing to take advice from members on clothing forums oder "style writers". Most of these people have no knowldge about the acutal work that goes into a product. In the end there is not much left for them to criticise apart from service and the end product, where some are still delusuional enough to describe it as positive though everyone can see the difference. Crompton had a suit made for him by one of the greats of Savile Row and in the ongoing process his posts, at least in my opinion, became shorter and less anthusiastic by the week. I guess they told him to get over with it and sod off, at least he hasn't mentioned them ever since.

 

#382 2013-01-02 16:38:09

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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?

are you talking about A&S johnny ? If so .. he writes their blog for them so is sort of part of their marketing team?!

fruity

 

#383 2013-01-02 16:51:50

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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?

the really interesting thing is how the blog has evolved since its conception .. it started off with a clear focus on bespoke tailoring, comps said he has previously bought RL and Etro RTW for tailored clothes but wanted to explore bespoke tailors and all the wonders they could offer and build up a wardrobe .. since then he has visited 11 different tailors (counted off his 'tailors i have known' post) and had all sorts of things made from a convertible blazer at Gieves, a shooting tweed suit at huntsman, Double Breasted Suits at Poole & A&S.

For many months now Comps hasnt actually done any real posts about his own commissions at any tailors but rather focused on casual wear, he has several times said that on weekends and such he wears polo shirts and jeans so i suspect that is his natural sense of dress .. i also have a sneaking suspicion that after actually having bespoke clothing made the novelty has worn off and he has realised that he was already wearing clothes that were comfortable & suited his lifestyle best .. in a way his blog has followed the journey of menswear over the past several decades as men shed tailored clothing for casual wear such as jeans, loafers, t shirts, casual jackets etc ..

if this is the case i dont blame him .. bespoke tailored clothes i think work for only a small minority of people:

1) old money who like to visit a tailor as their father did so pre 1970s and its now a habit ..

2) new money ala footballers, pop stars, bankers, tax dodging businessmen who have too much cash lying around to know what to do with it ..

3) men whose body shape lies way out of the norm .. the v fat, the v short, the v tall ..

4) the clothes horse/hobbist .. whether we care to admit it or not most of us probably lie in this camp ..

the sheer exponential rise in cost of tailored clothing combined with the fact that most of modern society doesnt give a shit about formal rules of dressing mean dressing well using a bespoke tailor is disproportionately expensive and most of the time totally unappreciated .. 

fruity

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#384 2013-01-02 16:55:10

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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#385 2013-01-02 17:14:05

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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?

he cant afford to pay full retail formby .. he is a journalist .. i respect journalists despite recent scandals in the uk but the profession has to be one of the worst paid occupations for a educated person to get into in the UK (unless you are the mayor of london who gets £400k for writing for the evening standard .. from crooked russian owner .. sure something dogy going on there but ill save that rant for another day) ..

however .. his blog gets a hell of a lot of hits .. he has a niche for men looking to learn how to dress properly (this fad may last 6 months but in this time they could have commissioned some items). i reckon with the popularity of his blog he could get any tailor in this economic climate to make him up clothes for free .. infact i would go as far as to say they would be totally stupid to refuse (although saying this our UK tailors esp saville row are probably some of the most stupid businessmen to have ever lived .. they invented modern tailored dress and still managed to almost destroy the industy and hand it over to the italians who are some of the most lazy inept people ever).

ok so after that rant going to tick off objectives ;

offend comps: check
offend english: check
offend italian: check
offend men who wear bespoke clothes: check

smile

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#386 2013-01-02 17:18:45

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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#387 2013-01-02 17:26:35

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#388 2013-01-02 17:40:25

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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?

smile

comps has probably discovered through his foray into tailored clothing why the english tailoring industry which is a microcosm of british industry totally fucked ITSELF up .. spending some time on saville row demonstrates it perfectly (harvard business school should do a study on this .. theyd learn a lot)..

1) rip off pricing structures (not so much i believe driven by greed but rather by total inefficiency as most are still unprofitable)
2) rude staff who act like they are doing you a favour by serving you
3) sloppy workmanship
4) dogma towards tradition and arcane methods of manafacture instead of considering better alternatives (leather shoe soles a good example formby wink ) the classic 'well thats how its done sir' .. with the 'sir' said with expert english contempt smile

and thats why the italians have run right over the english post 60s in tailoring .. and the world now looks at the big italian houses for direction on stylish dressing .. even when they throw (1) out the window they still beat the english at their own game ..

fruity. 

disclaimer .. im english myself so this pains me to say ..

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#389 2013-01-02 17:48:07

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#390 2013-01-02 18:03:04

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#391 2013-01-02 18:37:50

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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?

@fruity

It was Gieves & Hawkes and and made by the lady who later left them, though it's too much interpratation on my side.

I don't think the companies waste too much money on him. What are the costst for AS to make him a suit? The cloth and the time to make it, so probably around 600 pounds on their side, that's not too bad. The costs for placing an advert in a magazine or newspaper certainly exceed this by a fair amount. He writes for the magazines that cater for the iGents so they will most likeley consider it a good deal.  And there is one thing you can be sure about, he isn't the only one to do this. There a a few people, especially on the forums, who know how the wind blows.

Don't AS also have James Sherwood on their payproll? He featured quite prominently for them in the past but seems to keep a far lower profile than Crompton.

 

#392 2013-01-02 19:35:09

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#393 2013-01-02 20:05:52

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#394 2013-01-02 20:27:19

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#395 2013-01-03 02:48:08

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#396 2013-01-03 04:55:16

Oldfruit1
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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?

it cant be the iGent phenommenon as british tailors have been operating like this for decades .. they were probably worse in the past if anything as the rise of RTW / foreign bespoke tailors has meant increased competition .. it must be they just dont give a shit about the product. the english revel in tradition and like you say scribbling with a chalk for some bizarre reason .. love all the pomp and pagentery more than the actual fucking product working for the customer .. much like the royal family, parliament and all the bullshit that goes along with these institutions ..

part of the reason people have gone to the italians ala rubinacci is that they have a palpable passion for their product and craft .. some of this may be put on by slippery italian confidence artists but the customer wants to believe ..the english tailors on the other hand are dismissive and actually have a sort of i dont care what way i do it / what cloth i choose / how i stitch something or anything else and therefore nor should you .. and then expect you to write them a fat cheque .. utterly ridiculous business practises.

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#397 2013-01-03 04:57:49

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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?

its actually a miracle that there is british bespoke tailoring left .. partly survived due to the mystique of lords & dukes having clothes made for them i would imagine ..

fruity

 

#398 2013-01-03 06:16:29

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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?

Poor Cromps!

 

#399 2013-01-03 07:23:56

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#400 2013-01-03 07:38:09

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"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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