Mad Men dvd marathon.

The only tv I generally watch is the music programmes on BB4 on Friday nights and - bizarrely - the Parliament Channel which I find quite addictive.

My wife and kids generally have control of the tv set.  There's a whole new world of early morning tv out there which you'll never experience unless you have under-10s.

^LOL! That's the one programme my offspring will gladly switch channel to watch the Dutch version of Sesame Street, or even Russian cartoons. Anything else on CBeebies they watch intently, but not Granny Murray and her friends.

Just watched Desperate Romantics, about the PreRaphaelites. Such high hopes!
At $5 on Apple TV it looked too good to be true.
FAILED camp.

Oh, Eckhart, here you go again...
Like an over eager pig chomping at the bit to drag everything into the mudfight that seems to be your comfort zone, you must have been tripped up by the last two words of my post, and missed the punchline completely.
Do you want to reread my post and sally back a witty reply once you actually understand what was said?
It's only 3 sentences and I know you are capable of wit, as in your hilarious illustrated post on drinking aged water.

Last edited by Chévere (2013-01-05 22:30:32)

You still don't get it. I expected good camp, because of the name of the series, the subject matter and the said marketing picture of the brooding actor.
Sorry to have to spell it out for you, but you can't say I didn't give you a second chance to hit me with a good zinger.
I do not expect much from bitch queens, but from one as feisty as you I expected a different line line of attack on the second swing, instead of the same approach, rehashed.
Your reach exceeds your grasp, clearly and repeatedly.

Did we talk before grampy? Are you the one who thought women and men have fundamentally different brains? If so, let me know so I can ignore you

Sigh, GMP, my most embarrassed apologies, this is what happens when you wrestle a pig. You both get muddy, but the difference is the pig loves it. On the other hand I could not resist engaging Eckhart because he is easily provoked and an easy target.

Excart, you should have stopped at the first paragraph. Convoluted in a hall of mirrors sort of way, but a reasonable joyride to read.

As for camp, I am surprised that a 58 yo straight plastic surgeon knows more than a young bilious bitch queen like you. From Wiki: "Camp is an aesthetic sensibility that regards something as appealing or humorous because of its ridiculousness to the viewer." Notice, to the viewer, not the author or actor.

Camp can be intentionally ridiculous, but that is seldom good camp because it is really hard to skirt the line of where to play it straight and when to ham it up. Attempts at Intentional camp end up usually being broad comedy or low brow satire. Think of The Rocky Horror Picture show. Obviously,you mistake broad comedy for camp.

A better brand of camp is that which is played straight. That is, the actors play the roles and scenes seriously, but it is the ridiculousness of the subject or situation, or a gross disconnect between the portrayal and the context that not only makes you laugh, but also engages higher cognitive functions. The artist is not telegraphing his intentions, he assumes you are clever enough to get the joke. Think of Telenovelas, or better yet the Housewives series. This is the line I hoped the BBC was taking.

The best camp is dead earnestly serious about its purpose and intention. The PreRaphaelites themselves fall in this camp. They had absolutely no intention to make you laugh. Yet with our modern sensibility we look at their paintings and the ridiculousness of it all screams at us. That is why I had such high hopes.

Incidentally, one of the most complete Pre-Raphaelite collections is in the museum in Ponce, Puerto Rico. A concrete magnate (who later became governor of the island) went on an art buying spree. Wether because of personal preference or the ridiculous low prices of the discredited movement during the reign of Modernism, he was able to accumulate a lot of them. I loved them from the minute I saw them and still do, including the overwrought expressions. They were like telenovelas of the middle ages. At the time, I had no idea of what camp is.

Eckhardt, you are great at arguing, but you will be even better when you actually understand the content of the post.
Or when your arguments are internally consistent.
Or when your response actually relates to what was said.

Other than that your response was passable, except that it lacked wit. I know a self described droll clown such as you is capable of a better shot and this is just a lame decoy assault.

Last edited by Chévere (2013-01-07 11:51:33)

I would respond Chevere, but obviously Ivy Jim doesn't want you talking to me.

Chevere is a big boy, in all my fantasies about him...

Last edited by Ivy Jim... (2013-01-08 03:52:42)