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#1 2013-01-08 19:02:24

carpu65
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Why today is not a tailor in each town?

In Italy and in UK are still lucky,are several tailors (and in Italy also in many small towns,at  relatively affordable cost).
But i wonder that in hard times like these the tailor profession has not an huge boom.
Take for exemple United States.
By clothing forums and blogs i see that in USA a lot of people interested in bespoke.
So why peoples not try to start the tailor work?
Training course could be organized..
Ok,not all can become Huntsman..but i think that many could make a suit better that Indochino.
i don't think that the tailor job is more hard work to many others today..better tailor that scullion in a Mc Donald.
So,with all this request,with guys willing to go in London,Naples or Hong Kong for a bespoke suit,why today is not a tailor in each town?

 

#2 2013-01-08 20:07:36

captainpreppy
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Re: Why today is not a tailor in each town?

Briefly, I don't think tailoring is all that remunerative for most of its practitioners, and relatively few young people today want to put up with the long and tedious apprenticeship.

 

#3 2013-01-08 21:28:40

carpu65
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Re: Why today is not a tailor in each town?

Many hard  (and unpleasant)  jobs for young peoples today are not remunerative,
and with many less hope of  career.

 

#4 2013-01-09 01:25:02

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Re: Why today is not a tailor in each town?

It really grates with me when people say "young people today don't want to come into the industry/are too lazy/don't wan't apprenticeships/haven't the stamina, etc" as I am of the belief that if they are offered, candidates will come. Most companies don't offer any effective training for young people these days and the excuse that its the kids fault has worn a bit thin with me.

I finished my O-Levels in 1987 and it was clear then, you either stayed on in the sixth-from, or went on a government scheme. I don't know of any of my school chums who got a real job or an apprenticeship and I went to a very large secondary school. The opportunities simply were not there and any career advice seemed limited to the horizon of being ideally an accountant, doctor, dentist, lawyer and teacher. Engineering had a seriously low status at this time. Other creative careers did not register, perhaps its different in London.

Carpu is dead right and not only in tailoring, we need to get youth trained and working. The UK hasn't had a trade surplus since 1981, effectively all the wealth and illusion of being Germany-lite, is all borrowed money and on borrowed time.

Time to break the stranglehold of the baby-boomers and unleash the potential of the natives, instead of importing people from overseas who are supposedly already trained.


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#5 2013-01-09 08:14:44

Chévere
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Re: Why today is not a tailor in each town?

The problem in all developed countries is that the low end of the income level is well covered.
So a young enterprising and well trained tailor faced with the alternative of spending 3 solid days building a suit (assuming he is a wizard), paying overhead, materials, and selling it for 600 pounds (to be able to compete against Marks and Spencer), will have a profit margin that is likely to be less than what he can collect on the dole for doing nothing, or working at Blimpies.


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#6 2013-01-09 10:20:07

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Re: Why today is not a tailor in each town?


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#7 2013-01-09 10:33:49

formby
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Re: Why today is not a tailor in each town?


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#8 2013-01-09 10:59:54

carpu65
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Re: Why today is not a tailor in each town?

 

#9 2013-01-09 11:06:46

formby
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Re: Why today is not a tailor in each town?


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#10 2013-01-09 12:27:12

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Re: Why today is not a tailor in each town?


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#11 2013-01-09 12:52:21

formby
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Re: Why today is not a tailor in each town?


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#12 2013-01-09 13:07:29

Drum Thunder !!!
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Re: Why today is not a tailor in each town?

THat's my point young people could probably make a decent wage from being able to alter clothes, but I suppose that wouldn't leave anytime to learn making.


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#13 2013-01-09 14:05:43

formby
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Re: Why today is not a tailor in each town?


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#14 2013-01-09 14:10:32

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Re: Why today is not a tailor in each town?

^Indeed, universities should be engaged in the cutting edge of research, now with some notable exceptions, its a place you go for 3 to 4 years to gain debt before you take an entry level job that individuals in the 60s would get at age 15 or 16.


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#15 2013-01-09 14:12:47

formby
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Re: Why today is not a tailor in each town?


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#16 2013-01-09 14:33:02

Drum Thunder !!!
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Re: Why today is not a tailor in each town?

Vote Formby


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#17 2013-01-09 14:42:34

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Re: Why today is not a tailor in each town?

 

#18 2013-01-09 14:47:40

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Re: Why today is not a tailor in each town?

I am in my middle age Eckharti, with a career spanning two decades beyound higher education, that statement tells you nothing about me, only my nephews generation. But I thank you for the interest.


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#19 2013-01-09 14:49:33

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Re: Why today is not a tailor in each town?

Last edited by adorable homunculus (2013-01-09 14:50:26)


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#20 2013-01-09 14:58:54

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Re: Why today is not a tailor in each town?

I am convinced that Eckharti is not Goodfella, as it does not appear to be in his style or that of an American.

But, I have seen the effects of beta-blockers and other drugs that change the writing and report style completely of other individuals. So it may well be Goodfella on presciption drugs. We can only hope that the doctor has got the medication dose right.


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#21 2013-01-09 15:00:06

Eckharti
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Re: Why today is not a tailor in each town?

 

#22 2013-01-09 15:08:01

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Re: Why today is not a tailor in each town?

Creeping credentialistion doesn't necessarily equate to ability to get things done.

In any event, I am off to bed now Eckharti, we can regroup tomorrow on this and other topics. Do try and post some decent 80s videos whilst I am away.

Thanks.


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#23 2013-01-09 15:11:26

yeti
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Re: Why today is not a tailor in each town?

The problem is that maybe there are 8 legit bespoke/master tailors left in the entire US.  And all but 2 of them are over 75.  I'm sure there is tons of interest in the US to do apprenticeships but as noted above the bespoke industry in the US has already fallen off the cliff.   Perhaps eventually skilled tailors will once again immigrate from italy to america, but i don't believe it as easy to immigrate to the us from europe as it was 100 years ago, and why go to the US if business is already good at home.

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#24 2013-01-09 15:23:57

Eckharti
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Re: Why today is not a tailor in each town?

 

#25 2013-01-09 16:12:40

Chévere
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Re: Why today is not a tailor in each town?

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