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The Shooman loves a secret Big Mac.
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All I'm asking is show me a shape shifting Lizard-person.
All the good ones do!
Currently I'm looking into the alleged holocaust denial and the Balfour Declaration. It's very interesting, I'm not an anti-semite BTW.
The talk of the 'final solution' has never actually be attributed with any clear evidence of what it was. Only ever described as a euphemism to the plan to eradicate all Jews. Clearly the Jews were targeted by the Nazis, murdered, as well as worked to death in concentration camps.
The argument made by some though, is the fact that Auschwitz, did not have the infrastructure to kill as many people as recorded, the large amount of deaths at concentration camps can be attributed to diseases carried by lice. In fact if you look at the building plans for Auschwitz. The places described as gas chambers, and the cremating ovens were in no way suitable for the job of killing people, it was in fact a morgue and says so on the blueprints, for those Jews who died through infection, starvation and being worked to on the camp they were cremated in the camps ovens, of which there were only six.
Also there were fumigation rooms, again not big enough to deal with large numbers of people, which were actually used to fumigate clothes and sheeting to kill the lice which were carrying fatal diseases, there are records to show the deaths attributed to these outbreaks, and apparently Zyklon B was used in this fumigation process. Again this is all one man's study. I'm only giving his findings, I'm not saying he is factually correct. I'm not trying to disprove the complete and utter awfulness of the Nazi's crimes against Jews, I'm just interested in this guys findings, who doesn't seem to have any vested interest, or political motives.
I think things may have been over exaggerated to garner support for the resettling of the Jews in Palestine. Which was being planned up to 50 years prior to world war 2, Jews and been suffering severe persecution in German since the early to mid 1800's. And obviously a lot longer through Europe as a whole.
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^Hitler at one stage entertained the notion of sending the jews to Madagascar.
The holocaust is irrefutable historical fact. All the deniers fall back on idiotic positions that there wasn't enough gas, or rooms or ovens to incenerate and gas people on an industrual scale. Of course, there was and their methods are well documented and recorded.
On the conspiracy side of things, I am interested in how the discredited, bankrupt and brain syphillitic individual, David Irving can afford to be housed in a stately pad. Who is paying for this, other than ageing nazis and SS men? I wager, and this is my conspiracy, that it is sponsors in the Middle East who wish him to continue to disseminate his anti-semitic nazi poison on their behalf.
MGP: Uganda? Really? That sounds like a recipe for disaster.
4FH: There is plenty of tangible and concrete evidence to undermine the notion of gas chambers as viable extermination centres but why do some people bother pushing for the mainstream recognition of it? As if it really matters. The Nazi regime was abhorent whatever their methods, starvation or gassing it all amounts to the same miserable genocide.
It's a great conversation and I applaud your balls in taking it on, Gentleman, especially using this medium which is so open to trolls & name callers.
My own take on the reality of the Holocaust is that it was actaully woefully under-resourced. That task that they had set themselves was so huge how could it have been otherwise? Given time they maybe could have got there... But I'm rather glad they didn't.
Why did the Holocaust fail? It was just too expensive to do the job on time.
A game we often play after dinner is 'How Many Times Should You Be Gassed?'
You just look at the reasons for a good old gassing and then think about yourself - I should be gassed on four counts.
I've a mate who manages five. For my set he wins so far.
How many times should you be gassed ? Just give a number not the reasons, unless you fancy.
- Pretty much everybody in the world merits at least one gassing in some way. 'Itler too - The nutter !
Gallows Humour...
And one gassing is all it takes.
Taken in good part.
I'm with Mel Brooks - Keep on laughing at 'Itler. You know that would bug him most !
He only had one ball you know...
At least I'm not a Catholic Gypsy...
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