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#1 2013-02-21 18:17:42

sstomcat
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Vass, Maftei Materna comparisons ....

Considering they all belong to the Austro Hungarian school I'd like to start a conversation or a healthy comparison between these makers when it comes to

Construction techniques, similiarities differences
Uniqueness/ Nuances
Materials used, quality to price ratio, lasts, heritage et. al.

I know there are a few who happen to own all three brands so it will be interesting to know their opinions.
anyone with the knowledge even if theoretical please feel free to comment...

 

#2 2013-02-21 22:30:35

The_Shooman
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Re: Vass, Maftei Materna comparisons ....

Lots to be said on some of those things, but l will focus on construction techniques mainly of the soles and the uppers. Hopefully Fritz can comment on styles and heritage.

Just a quick comment on materials used. l own one pair of George Materna bespoke and several Vass, but the Vass uppers are clearly better quality when observed under a microscope because there are less animals hairs visible (the upper looks cleaner, even to a naked eye it looks cleaner) and the leather used on Vass is younger with a finer grain so it will be more durable if looked after. But, l can only compare my Vass to only one pair of Materna so my observations may not be accurate across the board.

As l said, l will focus on shoe construction and blow many igent myths out of the water that has plagued the various forums since the beginning of time. Give me a day or two to get back to this thread.

l am currently writing a 10,000 word essay on shoe construction so l will post it to you via another members site when it is done. l will also be posting it on my site but l will never ever reveal my shoe site because l don't believe in promoting myself and only want people to stumble on it by accident (destiny).

 

#3 2013-02-21 22:54:06

Sammy Ambrose
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Re: Vass, Maftei Materna comparisons ....


If you aren't seeing through all three eyes at once day and night you are up shit creek without a paddle. The Shooman

 

#4 2013-02-21 22:55:36

Sammy Ambrose
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If you aren't seeing through all three eyes at once day and night you are up shit creek without a paddle. The Shooman

 

#5 2013-02-21 23:20:47

The_Shooman
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#6 2013-02-22 07:43:12

sstomcat
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#7 2013-02-23 08:00:39

The_Shooman
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Re: Vass, Maftei Materna comparisons ....

Last edited by The_Shooman (2013-02-23 12:49:38)

 

#8 2013-02-23 08:34:52

The_Shooman
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#9 2013-02-23 09:01:17

sstomcat
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Re: Vass, Maftei Materna comparisons ....

That was a great invigorating post, so Thank You. You have made it clear to me what I was always suspecting but never sure. I would like to know a little bit more about what a hand carved feather means/: Does this mean a channel is made in the insole so that the stitches that are done between the welt and insole have a place to sit?
I do see the pros of handwelting very clearly and all the details that you mentioned I agree 100%. Infact having a scientific background I also see a lot of logical reasoning as well as science behind the factual details and why the old time cordwainers invented and did what is unfortunately and sadly becoming less and less common..

 

#10 2013-02-23 09:08:54

The_Shooman
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Re: Vass, Maftei Materna comparisons ....

l just added in the most important factor l previously forgot in determining shoe construction quality by hand makers...THE THREAD QUALITY! Silly me///fancy forgetting something so important as that. :rollseyes:

If you read the bottom part again you'll now find the topic has been discussed properly now.

 

#11 2013-02-23 09:18:36

sstomcat
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#12 2013-02-23 09:55:00

The_Shooman
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Re: Vass, Maftei Materna comparisons ....

Last edited by The_Shooman (2013-02-23 10:02:47)

 

#13 2013-02-23 10:19:17

sstomcat
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These are some of the best information I have received in a while. cheers mate!

 

#14 2013-02-23 12:55:58

The_Shooman
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#15 2013-02-23 13:28:36

The_Shooman
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Re: Vass, Maftei Materna comparisons ....

And just assuming a factory could do a complete rebuild of a goodyear welted shoe, they are going to lose lots of money on the job because the fast flow of operations is going to be effected, not to mention the upper of the shoe being damaged from re-doing the inseaming. First the factory would need to stick on the fastener to the sole, then the workers would have to take the extra time to make sure they line up the inseaming to go through was is left of the cut off upper (remember that the upper gets trimmed off at the bottom, so there is very little leather to work with), this is fraut with danger and errors could make the attempt futile. And in the mean time the upper gets mashed while resewing the welt to the fastener, and if you misguide the machine (not much leather to work with as l mentioned above) then you mash the upper even more and might need to start all over again, or you might ruin the shoe completely because you destroy the upper. It takes too much time and is a risky job and it will halt the flow of the factory so lots of money will be lost and even a replacement shoe free of charge could be in order.

That's always the problem with factories - they lose money with fiddly work and the machines damage the integrity of the shoes because the sewing doesn't go through the original holes - they have everything to lose with difficult repair jobs. That's why hand sewn soles are so good, the welt never needs to be damaged and the inseaming can always be maintained. Even if the welt and insole was damaged on handmade shoes, they are easily replaced in a workshop because that is what they do...there is no disruption to the flow of things.

 

#16 2013-02-24 09:57:56

sstomcat
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Re: Vass, Maftei Materna comparisons ....

Another video of Petkov - after the insole is handstitched wood pecks are driven to attach the welt...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sgJFRmEDSk

 

#17 2013-02-24 10:53:48

sstomcat
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4lXHo8_mZ8

 

#18 2013-02-24 16:40:24

The_Shooman
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Re: Vass, Maftei Materna comparisons ....

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#19 2013-02-24 20:39:30

fxh
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Re: Vass, Maftei Materna comparisons ....

Women's shoes are a different thing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R2o15kk-0A

 

#20 2013-03-04 02:17:55

The_Shooman
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Re: Vass, Maftei Materna comparisons ....

bump for Fritz

 

#21 2013-03-06 07:09:10

sstomcat
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