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#1 2013-04-17 00:48:01

Sammy Ambrose
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Discussion on the shoe lover's worse nightmare - gemming failure

http://www.keikari.com/english/shoe-gemming-construction/comment-page-1/#comment-20534

Finnish blogger wants to get to the bottom of this important issue that keeps shoe aficionados awake at night.


If you aren't seeing through all three eyes at once day and night you are up shit creek without a paddle. The Shooman

 

#2 2013-04-17 01:04:20

The_Shooman
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Re: Discussion on the shoe lover's worse nightmare - gemming failure

l haven't got the time at the moment to read the thread, but l will say that Isshy's site will have the ultimate essay on gemmed shoos shortly. As soon as the diagrams are done properly by computer (will need help on that) the first installment on the shoo construction essays will be ready to go. The complete guide to shoo construction, but be warned...the section of goodyear welted shoos is pretty damning, but with very good reason. l can't wait to discuss gemming failure with the folks from Cleverley - they will try to pull the wool over my eyes, but l will be having none of that.

 

#3 2013-04-17 02:16:01

The_Shooman
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Re: Discussion on the shoe lover's worse nightmare - gemming failure

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#4 2013-04-17 02:38:33

fxh
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Re: Discussion on the shoe lover's worse nightmare - gemming failure

shooey, now that you are back from Dimboola and I'm back from Tokyo - we have work to do mate.

I'm not going to Apollo Bay music festival this year. Travel budget blown.
Was a let down last year - except for Nicky Bomba's Melbourne Ska Orchestra - fantastic!

 

#5 2013-04-17 02:57:34

The_Shooman
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Re: Discussion on the shoe lover's worse nightmare - gemming failure

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#6 2013-04-17 03:17:12

fxh
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Re: Discussion on the shoe lover's worse nightmare - gemming failure

Were you really there last year? I was staying at Marengo in a big old skool house right on beach.

I've had some good times at the Bay - its one of the few Great Ocean Road places still not totally ruined by tourist yobs. But the amount of brick venereal houses there is sad now especially around the area we both stayed at. My mate who had a house up on top of the whole mountain range overlooking the Bay - on the Busty/ Wild Dog road has sold it too.

 

#7 2013-04-17 06:46:47

The_Shooman
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#8 2013-04-17 07:34:43

Sammy Ambrose
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Re: Discussion on the shoe lover's worse nightmare - gemming failure

Do you think you might get a room  to carry on this conversation? People are PMing me saying how cheesed-off they are that  you a 'gluing up' this important thread  on gemming failure, which is something  that affects all those who wear shoes.

If you are interested here are a few of the negative comments engendered by your gossip.

"Outrageous"

"Appalling"

"Disgusting"

"Thoughtless"

"Worse than anal leakage"

Last edited by Sammy Ambrose (2013-04-17 07:36:37)


If you aren't seeing through all three eyes at once day and night you are up shit creek without a paddle. The Shooman

 

#9 2013-04-17 08:11:37

The_Shooman
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Re: Discussion on the shoe lover's worse nightmare - gemming failure

Sammy, l think it's time this thread got back on topic. l want to talk about the evils of gemming failure, so please keep all future discussions here relevant please.

Regards: The Shooman.

 

#10 2013-04-17 09:48:12

Sammy Ambrose
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Re: Discussion on the shoe lover's worse nightmare - gemming failure

Last edited by Sammy Ambrose (2013-04-17 09:49:45)


If you aren't seeing through all three eyes at once day and night you are up shit creek without a paddle. The Shooman

 

#11 2013-04-17 12:37:09

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#12 2013-04-17 12:51:00

formby
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Re: Discussion on the shoe lover's worse nightmare - gemming failure

Don't forget a cobbler will only see shoes that need repair in the first place.


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

Souvent me Souvient

 

#13 2013-04-17 13:21:27

isshinryu101
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Re: Discussion on the shoe lover's worse nightmare - gemming failure

My main issue with gemming and goodyear welting is the LIE of the marketing itself.

If I read another expensive shoe company saying "HANDMADE Goodyear Shoe", I am going to throw up!!!

It is machine made.  There is glue involved, and the glue itself ultimately is used to hold the shoe together.

For the $1k price range, this lie is unacceptable.  For this amount of money, shoe buyers deserve the truth!

 

#14 2013-04-17 13:53:57

formby
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Re: Discussion on the shoe lover's worse nightmare - gemming failure

There are advantages to gluing or bonding to surfaces together.

One is, that it is usually applied in a continuous bead, therefore it will not only act as an adhesive but also a sealant.

Another advantage is, that having a continuous bond as opposed to a threaded one allows for a more even distribution of forces around the bonded interface, with a sewn one it is localised, the stresses will occur around the holes. In fact holes are stress raisers in any material and compromise structural integrity.

Bonded construction is used extensively in the aerospace industries, for some of the reasons I've stated above.

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Aerospace/Aircraft/Solutions/Adhesives/

What matters, is quality of adhesive, quality of preparation and quality of application.

That is the engineers view. wink


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

Souvent me Souvient

 

#15 2013-04-17 14:00:34

doghouse
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Re: Discussion on the shoe lover's worse nightmare - gemming failure


Hide thy infants, hide thy Lady, and hide thy husband, alas they art forcing sexual intercourse upon the entire populace. - Wm Shakespeare

 

#16 2013-04-17 16:57:14

xenon1
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#17 2013-04-18 05:16:02

isshinryu101
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#18 2013-04-18 10:58:55

formby
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Re: Discussion on the shoe lover's worse nightmare - gemming failure


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

Souvent me Souvient

 

#19 2013-04-18 11:39:31

formby
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Re: Discussion on the shoe lover's worse nightmare - gemming failure


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

Souvent me Souvient

 

#20 2013-04-18 13:31:20

isshinryu101
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#21 2013-04-18 14:27:30

formby
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Re: Discussion on the shoe lover's worse nightmare - gemming failure


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

Souvent me Souvient

 

#22 2013-04-18 16:10:40

Sammy Ambrose
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Re: Discussion on the shoe lover's worse nightmare - gemming failure

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If you aren't seeing through all three eyes at once day and night you are up shit creek without a paddle. The Shooman

 

#23 2013-04-18 16:25:28

formby
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Re: Discussion on the shoe lover's worse nightmare - gemming failure


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

Souvent me Souvient

 

#24 2013-04-18 21:53:21

Sammy Ambrose
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Re: Discussion on the shoe lover's worse nightmare - gemming failure


If you aren't seeing through all three eyes at once day and night you are up shit creek without a paddle. The Shooman

 

#25 2013-04-18 21:56:56

Sammy Ambrose
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Re: Discussion on the shoe lover's worse nightmare - gemming failure

Just in case anyone missed the great debate:

http://www.styleforum.net/t/153448/gemming-the-shoe-devils-work


If you aren't seeing through all three eyes at once day and night you are up shit creek without a paddle. The Shooman

 
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