a few months after first selecting a cloth for a new sportsjacket commission i have done a 180 degree u turn and now have a real repulsion to the cloth i had chosen ... i was in a bit of a strange mood that day and went for a bizzare dirty grey browny colour .. i just dont know what i was thinking! i have a small swatch of it and have treid to convince my self that it could work infront of the mirror ... but frankly this is really bothering me as to make it work i would need to comission new odd trousers, buy new shirts in a complementary shade and so on adding further expense to something which i dont think would look great anyway.
im considering asking my tailor to dump this commission and start again with another cloth ... is this an acceptable request? does this happen frequently in bespoke (hope over experience here)? we have already had the first fitting which im aware makes us well on the road toward completion. if I asked would it be fair to pay half or for the cloth to cover the extra expense? im aware this may go down like a lead balloon...
i dont want to end up looking in the mirror & feeling like i look even worse than the guys ive ridiculed on the bespoke dreams turn to disasters thread .. please HELP!
fruity.
It must be some extraordinarily bizarre cloth that would require a dedicated set of trousers and shirts.....?
Any chance that this is mere post-purchase buyers anxiety?
I would have thought a 'dirty grey browny' colour would be a versatile enough colour for a sports jacket. Are you able to upload a picture of this offensive fabric......?
I don't have any experience with bespoke clothing, but from the tailor's perspective, he does have a bit of work into it. If you offer to pay for his time and material so far, I don't see why he'd object to that. He gets paid for what he's done so far and you don't get stuck with a jacket you don't like.
it may be a bit of post purchase buyers anxiety .. unfortunately im staying in a hotel at the moment and dont have the facilities to take any pictures //
its not just the colour ... its so wishy washy as to make it look completely overwhelmed by other pieces of clothing ... i would need to get very light trousers and shirts to make it look half decent. im trying to work out what exactly i was thinking at the time of purchase .. i didnt even go in to buy such a thing ..while leafing through a cloth book i had a stroke of 'inspiration' .. make that total idiocy ... and plumbed for this! foolishly there were other jacketing materials i saw at the time which i really wanted to have made but put aside for this! im kicking myself now .. i think stuff carefully through but i sometimes get the urge to just act on instinct which sometimes leads to regretful purchases ...
the problem with bespoke is there is no returns policy as such ... which is why i think there is a pork rail in most tailors with various things not picked up ... customers like me maybe go off what they comissioned & dont return to pay their account and pick the offending item up!
problem is that the tailors time at this stage is probably more than 50% as most of the work is done now... what to do? just go through with the whole thing ... then a) chuck in the bin b) give to a charity shop c) palm off to an unwitting relative d) wear whilst doing the gardening ... 'accidentally' tear on a bush and be forced joyously to throw away so as not to be reminded of ones foolishness d) sell on SF buy and sell page to an american cheapskate who wants jenuine british bespoke?
another idea which just struck me is can a jacket be re-dyed once it is made? you see how desperate i am at this stage .. i am thinking of anyway not to have to wear this thing. how could something so right go so f8cking wrong?
Last edited by Oldfruit1 (2013-05-26 08:16:08)
If the jacket appears to be 50% done then like as not that is approaching at least 80% of the total cost.
As you acknowledge dyeing it is not an option, this will ruin the garment.
Is it reasonable to assume that the material is a few steps outside of your normal comfort zone - which is why you believe that items you already own will not combine well with it? For what is worth: lousy cut, crappy fit and zany detailing are the characteristics that make a jacket look appalling to me. Only if the colours of the cloth are simply outre (jade green and silver stitching, that type of thing) will they be a bother. Of course, only you know how much this fabric irks you but the best option at this stage is to try and regain that confidence you had when you ordered it.......
BTW - Good to see you posting again.
If you dump the commission, your tailor will be entitled to bill you for the work done and the cloth. If you really hate the cloth, there's no point in wasting any more money or your tailor's time.
Edit to add that I never commission bespoke tweed jackets to avoid making a mistake like yours. Even RTW jackets can look great on the rail but terrible when I try them on.
Cording's new range is a bit disappointing and the block has changed. Walker Slater on the Fulham Road have a very good selection of tweed (Lovat Mill) jackets. Bladen has a wide range too in 3 different styles.
Last edited by Bishop of Briggs (2013-05-26 10:47:19)
Oh, just pay up and live with it for awhile. Maybe it will grow on you. Brownish gray doesn't sound too bad to me as a color for an odd jacket.
Welcome back Captain!
I'd be worried, too. Sounds like the jacket is going to look horrible. What a nasty color choice. Bright side: take a photo in it and post it up to the fedora lounge. You'll be best-dressed.
thats a funny thing to say ... as a lot of the guys i see wearing bespoke on various fora look terrible .. why? because in bespoke your given more than enough rope to hang yourself
perhaps there is also the snobbery value of saying to the world a) i dont give a f8ck b) im rich enough to pay a lot of money to dress in such an outre manner .. even if it doesnt look aesthethicly pleasing to you, me or anyone else!
after thinking about it and absorbing some of the above advise, i think ill finish the commission and wear it .. maybe this is about growing into a slightly different 'style' and pushing boundaries.
fruity
ps glad to be back ... but ... who else would have me
Last edited by Oldfruit1 (2013-05-26 14:53:15)
It's never happened to me in 15 years of doing this, which I suppose is quite surprising as I think about it. I would just be honest with him though and soften the blow by paying for the time and cloth and ordering something else.
fruity - you are overthinking it - you may have made a mistake - but anyway you are up for at least 80% of the finished cost and most likely 100%. (or you could a start an epic thread on AAAC about how you are suing your tailor over an unfinished coat)
At least its going to fit you well if finished - this is generally considered a good thing.
Not only that.
Its a first from this tailor?? Then the next one will be even better.
Finish it - forget about the colour for a while - once you have it you'll find plenty of combinations and places to wear it.
Post pictures here of colour and pattern - theres plenty of us know alls here who will advise on what to wear it with.
Most things can be made to work if they fit.
OTOH
Even better post pics of you wearing it and we can all (you included) have a good laugh.......
What to wear with "bizarre dirty grey browny colour"? I would probably brown cords, white or cream oxford shirt and a knitted tie.
Drake's has a few print ties with brown and dark colours that could also be suitable or give you ideas.
Grey-brown sounds like the colour Taupe, which is a classic Linen colour.
If so, its a neutral colour. Takes anything.
Last edited by Oldfruit1 (2013-05-27 09:16:40)
If you just can't stand it when it's done, just wear it to all-you-can-eat BBQ rib night at The Sizzler.
That should take care of it.
Personally, I don't think it looks that bad, but I can't really tell much from the small picture. I'll bet it won't look as bad as you think when it's done.
^ Is that a London Lounge cloth? It looks like one of Alden's from a couple of years ago.
It's not half as bad as I thought it would be. In fact, I like it - just add a sky blue shirt, brown knitted or grenadine tie, navy trousers and brown brogues/wingtips.
Last edited by Bishop of Briggs (2013-05-27 09:35:46)
That looks like Harrison's Moonbeam.
yep its from the moonbeam bunch, i was going to go for the safe navy blue with red check, something in the back of my head said that the dark blue was too much like typical blue suiting, as well as the fact that darker blue is more formal and i wanted something for a relaxed sportjacket ... i also figured a pastel was more sophisticated in a sports jacket (no idea where i got this idea from, but it occurred to me at the time ... something to do with it being more uncommon and perhaps a more suble palette) ...
do you think a ice blue shirt would work or would it wash the blueness from the cloth, dark trousers make it look more milky ... so i might be forced to walk around in cream shirts .. cream trousers ... basically like a loro piana model ...
Well, that guy sure seems happy with his jacket.
may be my tailor will be that happy too, when i tell him he can keep the damn thing!
it looks like it might be ... in the picture the blue looks more vivid, more vibrant and what i was hoping to achieve when buying the jacket ... it might look a lot better in the the light? i hope ..
Don't cry over milk you haven't even spilled yet, oldfruit1.
Look at all the good laughs over on the Inane Post threads. Most of them are funny not because of the clothes, but because of the insecure nature of the people wearing the clothes. Seems to me that a confident guy could wear a white Colonel Sanders suit and still look better than a guy who is constantly fretting about this 'rule' and that 'rule' and whether his 60% off AE's are shined properly.
It'll be fine.
Ok, The colors are great and not the usual combo. It looks like powder blue which is very fresh and pairing it with brown is just off enough to make it interesting. The problem is not the jacket but pairing it with gray pants. The gray just blahs it out, as you noticed.
Bishop suggested Navy pants which sounds great, and the man in the picture is wearing something in the brown family, Although it is kind of bland. If you want to make the jacket scream wear dark red ochre pants. No washed out pastel there.