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#1 2013-06-14 12:50:52

BellisVintage
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Habana: Culture and Style in Adversity

Habana - a city maintaining pride during times of adversity. In amongst the crumbling facades of beautiful, elegant buildings one can see a determination by the Cuban people to retain a unique style and panache for living. Perhaps a country that could teach something to others - making culture (in the form of ballet and music) a priority and available to everyone. Proving that even during difficult times one can still live a life with flair and swagger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOnMmCaWN1U


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#2 2013-06-14 13:02:06

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Re: Habana: Culture and Style in Adversity

Behind the facade of decayed elegant architecture and archaic music forms that never moved on from 1950s - which I happen to have a lot of respect for, but rap and rock exists in communist Cuba, believe it or not - there is horrible grubby police state on each corner, with the remnants of an excellent first world health service on the back of Soviet largesse.

Poverty, suffering and socialist graft can look very beautiful when exposed to in tropical climes.


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#3 2013-06-14 13:16:40

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#4 2013-06-14 13:45:12

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Re: Habana: Culture and Style in Adversity

And there are TONS of mid-century American cars roaming the streets of Havana.  Not that the drivers have a choice.


"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#5 2013-06-14 13:52:07

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That's the problem: someone else's misery in the tropics, often can look picturesque and a signifier to a more easy, less complex and rewarding existence, that on the surface appears very enticing and spiritually rewarding.


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#6 2013-06-15 04:44:04

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Re: Habana: Culture and Style in Adversity

I think that Cuba is ripe for another shot at revolution, isn't it? Over 50 years of rule by one guy and his brother is enough. Let Cubans show us that they can turn it around and convince the USA government to start importing Havana cigars again. That way I won't have to pay the mob inflated prices no more for a decent smoke.


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#7 2013-06-15 04:50:25

formby
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Re: Habana: Culture and Style in Adversity


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#8 2013-06-15 07:30:11

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I came up to see her sometimes.

 

#9 2013-06-15 07:42:21

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Re: Habana: Culture and Style in Adversity

Nicolae sounded and behaved like a peasant (Allo Allo Allo) - but he had a damned fine hat and coat. I wonder where he got them from!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcRWiz1PhKU&feature=endscreen&NR=1


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#10 2013-06-15 07:49:39

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Re: Habana: Culture and Style in Adversity

I have been to Cuba on a few occasions and have travelled all over the island and not just the tourist centres.
I can assure you all that it is not a shit hole at all.
It will change and is changing rapidly but with the coming of the Yankee dollar it will also lose much.


�Careful with that axe Eugene.�

 

#11 2013-06-15 07:53:10

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#12 2013-06-15 07:58:48

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I know a few Cubans, in the UK and in the US.  Opinions on what it's like, and on Castro, vary enormously.  As you may suspect, those in Europe tend to have a lot better things to say about Cuba and Castro than those who moved to the US.  I have a Cuban friend who never stops rhapsodizing about how wonderful the place is.

Let's be real: I wouldn't want to live somewhere with worse human rights than those of the UK.  And not all Cuba's problems can be blamed on the embargo.

However look at JA and numerous other Caribbean islands, that are completely screwed by the US.  No wonder some Cubans are so resistant to US colonialism.


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#13 2013-06-15 12:53:31

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"Florid, smug, middle-aged golf club bore in this country I'd say. Propping up the 19th hole in deepest Surrey bemoaning the perils of immigration."

 

#14 2013-06-15 12:58:30

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Monserrat is pretty cool.

 

#15 2013-06-15 17:04:56

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�Careful with that axe Eugene.�

 

#16 2013-06-15 17:59:58

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Re: Habana: Culture and Style in Adversity

Ex brother in law is from there. Visited it about 20 years ago during carnival, which was a sound system on the back of a truck touring the island for three days of rum and madness-my memory is very hazy-great time though -friendly folk. lots of kelly's and reilly's. Not much else though. You'd go mad there eventually.

 

#17 2013-06-15 22:59:04

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#18 2013-06-16 04:56:50

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My aunty and uncle lived in the Cayman islands in the mid-70s, my grandparents went over there a few times, it seemed awfully exotic to me at the time. All that snorkelling and sea fishing. They had an opportunity to stay there and my grandfather always said they were mad to come back.


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#19 2013-06-16 05:13:17

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#20 2013-06-24 05:43:30

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#21 2013-06-26 15:57:16

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Re: Habana: Culture and Style in Adversity

Cuba IS a shithole and it only looks good to those living off the fruits of the west's high living standards. Anybody who can RUNS away from Cuba. Most of their traveling sports teams are well vetted before leaving the island and most of the Docs/trainers, etc are on the watch out for possible escape attempts. Guantanamo is heavily fortified to keep Cubans from rushing in.
The whole medical miracle is another farce. Castro himself after his diverticulitis episode had his colostomy hooked up wrong and had to be flown to Spain to get the problem corrected. When Cuban officials have medical problems they run to Spain or Nicaragua which has a couple of first world level hospitals.
What Cubans excel at is Potemkin Villages. Life there sucks, ask any Cuban who left. Yuca, your Cuban friend is so full of shit. He has a choice. He could go back. Puerto Ricans who live in the states and go on rhapsodzsing about Puerto Rico soon put their money where their mouth is and return. It's easy because its easy. Not so with Cuba. NOTHING is easy in Cuba.
The moniker for Socialismo (Socialism) in Cuba is SociOlismo (Buddyism). If you are connected, you get everything. If not, you're screwed. And very, very few are connected.


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#22 2013-06-26 16:09:55

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#23 2013-06-26 16:16:21

formby
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Re: Habana: Culture and Style in Adversity


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#24 2013-06-26 16:41:54

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Re: Habana: Culture and Style in Adversity

The Cuban guys I knew also taught me something else; no one is so staunchly conservative as someone who has escaped a Communist country.  Those guys were, without exception, Republicans to the core.

 

#25 2013-06-26 16:47:56

formby
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"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

Souvent me Souvient

 

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