I'd agree with a lot of what Jim says.

Stuff filters up from below - from the street in todays terms.

Jeans.

The sack coat filtered up. And down.

Oh sure a lot of this stuff needed to be Ok'd by someone at some level.
But often it was marketers or writers/journalists (often the same thing) telling the yob (hello liam) that the cognoscenti or elite had "approved" . Of course then the elite had to jump on board else they be seen to be not with it.


Anyway Bop (and Hank too), in clothes like most things, theres rarely a linear straight line narrative. The whole is much more than just the sum of the parts.

Clothes are influenced by the elite - after all they can afford anything they want, also by the street, the military, the arts, the clergy, workers etc. Also by what materials are available and what skills there are to work them. Also by the economic climate, aside from individual wealth, and also by climate/weather itself. Not to mention housing, transport and cultural practices.

Oops I forgot sport - but then I would wouldn't I.

Carry on.

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Last edited by Russell...Street (2013-08-23 06:51:37)

Formby,its as if formal, as in not casual or *cough cough* sporty, menswear has been creeping its way forward, in evolutionary terms, to the end point of the modern suit. Modern meaning the basic form, and its permutations,  of the last 100 years or so.

Its spread world wide and not just attributable to western hegonomy, but perhaps some evolutionary well adapted form that combines functionality with aesthetics in an optimum coherence.

There are interesting offshoots but no serious challengers.

I banned Jim for something very different than his views on the subjects we discuss it wasnt because he disagreed with my views. Which is why hank still can post even though we dont agree.. im not about editing out dissent like Jim tried to do to carpu on TI

You had to be there for me to click the ban button. And it was during a period you were posting. So good luck with that logic

Meanwhile back in Manhattan...the pgs is in effect today. It's a 2 btn darted Paul Stuart, and I look great in all modesty. The one guy at work who knows something about clothes says I could be a model in this suit. Paired it with an ecru bb button down...trust me...it works. Navy tie with whales that are more reminiscent of sperms by which I think subconsciously the women are attracted.

The meeting will belong to me. Alaric stands at the door and knocks.