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#276 2013-09-20 11:56:44

Liam
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Re: The English Look...

Erm, was Jade Goody hated by everyone for being 'eccentric'?

Here was me thinking it was because she was a pig ignorant racist bully....


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#277 2013-09-20 12:02:20

formby
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Re: The English Look...


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#278 2013-09-20 12:05:44

formby
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Re: The English Look...


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

Souvent me Souvient

 

#279 2013-09-20 12:14:49

Liam
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Re: The English Look...

Do you mean she was a racist bully because she was thick or do you think she was thick but not racist or a bully?


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#280 2013-09-20 12:18:26

TheExpandingMan
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Judging from the picture, she was pretty thick.

 

#281 2013-09-20 12:20:32

formby
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Re: The English Look...


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

Souvent me Souvient

 

#282 2013-09-20 12:41:22

Liam
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Re: The English Look...

Well, maybe NF/BNP leaders or high ranking members but she was definitely general member/supporter material.

The NF/BNP is full of easily lead dolts and bullies.


"Plup." Jimmy Frost Nachtman.

 

#283 2013-09-20 14:55:29

formby
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Re: The English Look...


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

Souvent me Souvient

 

#284 2013-09-20 15:31:15

Liam
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Re: The English Look...

Yes. Apologies for the slight derailment. As you were chaps.


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#285 2013-09-20 18:30:30

NJS
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Re: The English Look...

Ugh!

 

#286 2013-09-21 00:50:16

Topstitcher
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What the world needs now is love, sweet love... And a jolly good kick up the harris.

 

#287 2013-09-21 01:01:19

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Re: The English Look...


What the world needs now is love, sweet love... And a jolly good kick up the harris.

 

#288 2013-09-21 01:25:36

fxh
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Re: The English Look...

The English smell.

 

#289 2013-09-21 01:31:58

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"Florid, smug, middle-aged golf club bore in this country I'd say. Propping up the 19th hole in deepest Surrey bemoaning the perils of immigration."

 

#290 2013-09-21 01:44:24

fxh
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#291 2013-09-21 02:31:51

formby
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Re: The English Look...


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

Souvent me Souvient

 

#292 2013-09-21 03:36:46

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'I am a closet optimist' Leonard Cohen.

 

#293 2013-09-21 06:55:54

fxh
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We are an understanding, tolerant, phlegmatic people. We’re happy to lead the world, if that’s all right with everyone else. But even when we struggle to put an eleven together on a village green on a Saturday afternoon, we agonise when a potential twelfth man turns up without a full set of whites

http://whatenglandmeanstome.co.uk/essay/tom-levitt/

 

#294 2013-09-21 07:02:16

fxh
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Re: The English Look...

I posted this over on the Macaroni thread but it deserves to be added here too

"The quality of the fine woollen cloth, the slope of a pocket flap or coat revers, exactly the right colour for the gloves, the correct amount of shine on boots and shoes, and so on. It was an image of a well-dressed man who, while taking infinite pains about his appearance, affected indifference to it. This refined dandyism continued to be regarded as an essential strand of male Englishness."

Aileen Ribeiro, "On Englishness in dress" in The Englishness of English Dress,

 

#295 2013-09-21 07:03:36

fxh
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#296 2013-09-21 07:04:04

fxh
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Re: The English Look...

Then I said::

In fact Ribeiro's quote is describing something as close as you can get to sprezzatura without being Italian nobility.

 

#297 2013-09-21 10:07:42

Topstitcher
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What the world needs now is love, sweet love... And a jolly good kick up the harris.

 

#298 2013-09-21 14:00:37

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#299 2013-09-21 17:18:05

NJS
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Re: The English Look...

Red used to be for socialists but, since they have become just about extinct, why not indulge in red ties again.

 

#300 2013-09-22 01:28:06

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Re: The English Look...

The old signifiers have pretty much been eroded, what in the last 25 years or so? You use to be able to tell a certain Home Counties Tory back-bencher by his blue T&A shirt and bright yellow tie. You don't see that sported much these days. Cameron could sport a red tie with impunity. Once someone's sport of choice could be a good indicator of class, but that's well and truly gone.

Tribes may well be a better word for the softening of class based on cultural norms.

BBC English and public school accents have also been challenged, not always successfully IMO, when you get hard inner-city accents which by definition are leaden, grating, lacking finesse and conjuring up images of people dragged-up rather than brought up. Regional accents are fine, the soft Liverpudlian twang as was spoken by The Beatles in the 60s conquered the world, but when you get the cockney of Janet Street Porter, it's ugly.

I don't think the Brits have boxed themselves in sartorially, they are in a state of flux though, and all the old rules cannot be trusted to deliver a signifier of meaning or status.


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