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#501 2013-10-12 08:16:05

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"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#502 2013-10-12 08:20:27

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#503 2013-10-12 09:31:22

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Just a few thoughts.

The British have a love of theatre, costumes and pageantry. A love of dressing up going back centuries. Different clothes for different settings are an expression of this need/love of dressing up.

They also have a thing for subversion. Brummell initially subverted. I am not sure where this comes from at the mo.

The Punks seem to have embodied both these elements at the same time.


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#504 2013-10-12 11:52:17

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I came up to see her sometimes.

 

#505 2013-10-12 12:24:33

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You need look no further than our weather to understand us

 

#506 2013-10-12 13:38:16

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"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#507 2013-10-12 14:56:12

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jeez, if that's the review, how long is the friggin' book!


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#508 2013-10-12 15:16:34

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"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#509 2013-10-12 15:20:46

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#510 2013-10-12 16:58:05

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I came up to see her sometimes.

 

#511 2013-10-13 03:43:42

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My friend read and reviewed the book for Modculture.com. He said the author tried too hard to link every subculture's root back to the Modernists ethos. He tried to tie in the birth of consumerism and its ills back to the modernists as well. In short he told me the book doesn't really offer any thing new and was fuddled in its theory of the history of mod culture. I think that after the smoothies the modernist linked subcultures ended. It was the Mods of the early 60s that were the kids that supported the creation of teen fashion. In that sense you can form a link of British sub-cultures that have their roots in the modernist ethos. As such, many other sub-culture that followed were based on a similar base. Clothes, music, drugs. The early Modernists were different because of their outlook, they looked to the future with hope. They embraced design and rejected the old. They wanted more than the trad working class life styles of their parents. This is captured in Absolute Beginners, Terry Taylor's Barons Court, All Change and Alexander Baron's book The Lowlife. You won't find the word mod in any of those books. Its a question of understanding the ethos of these type of books and enjoying Modernist design and incorporating into your life as to wether or not your a mod. Going to a seaside town for a jolly up with a load of badly dressed people with daft Weller haircuts isn't really what its about. Its a hard thing to explain to those outside the lifestyle and for those of us who still class our selfs as Modernists we don't really have any link to Bitpop or mainsteam clothing brands like Ben Sherman or Merc. Avoiding anything with the term Mod in it. Its a much more underground movement of style and personal choice. Mod is just a term to sell things to the clueless. They lap it up without ever having heard of Arne Jacobsen. The above review of Wrights book is muddled with crap that has nothing to do with the Modernist life style. Wrights book will be the same.


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#512 2013-10-13 05:36:25

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I enjoyed the review immensely, especially this bit describing the modern, post-modernist mods as "a Mod Airfix kit, complete with decals." I think he hits the nail on the head there: how can you be a declared modernist in the post-modernist world where you are effectively engaging in a form of revivalist nostalgia?

From a modern jazz perspective in the 50s and early 60s, the UK was an extreme back-water with the union restrictions ensuring it was nigh on impossible for American jazz musicians to tour. Coupled with the American imports being extremely expensive, unless you were a Cunard Yank, or could get the music on license through the Vogue label - and Blue Notes didn't make it to Vogue, although Les Koenig's Contemporary label did - you were not going to have access to much modern jazz as student or apprentice.

The Trad jazz scene was much bigger and popular than the modern jazz sub-culture, although the reviewer states it was definitively academic and middle class, but this does not bare scrutiny to the demographics facts, where in places like Glasgow, trad jazz was extremely popular. Even in the USA, Les Koenig who owned both the modern jazz label, Contemporary and the trad jazz label, Good Time Jazz, it was the latter that sold most albums. Indeed, it was the Fire House Five which sold the most.

The conflict between the Trads and Modernists intrigues me greatly, I admit. Larkin in his jazz reviews has nothing good to say about modern jazz and boasts about making a pint of gin and tonic and dancing to 1920s jazz in the parlour, all alone I might add, in the 1960s. It seems not with the times. The French had a similar confrontation, but it was between trads as big band swing fans and the jazz modernists.


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#513 2013-10-13 07:16:13

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Last edited by formby (2013-10-13 07:19:24)


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#514 2013-10-13 07:42:38

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"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#515 2013-10-13 08:21:19

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No one has quite managed to carry-off the 1970s without damaging their sartorial reputation, as much as Roger Moore.


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#516 2013-10-13 09:33:48

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Rocking traditional, current and classic Italian Ivy since 2011.

 

#517 2013-10-13 09:42:30

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Rocking traditional, current and classic Italian Ivy since 2011.

 

#518 2013-10-13 10:11:20

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#519 2013-10-13 10:14:54

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I came up to see her sometimes.

 

#520 2013-10-13 10:24:37

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#521 2013-10-13 11:48:01

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#522 2013-10-13 14:58:33

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"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#523 2013-10-13 15:38:14

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"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#524 2013-10-13 16:32:11

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"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#525 2013-10-13 17:54:03

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