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#1 2013-10-26 05:36:18

Dudley Clarke
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Dandy Dames

To kick off:

Lady Hester Stahope ('The Queen of the Desert'):

http://www.google.com.br/imgres?imgurl=http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EY-0S6xulgc/USTbinAiGgI/AAAAAAAAAGs/SggWFvdSOPM/s1600/Hester.jpg&imgrefurl=http://greatbritishnutters.blogspot.com/2008/07/lady-hester-stanhope-kooky-desert-queen.html&h=275&w=184&sz=18&tbnid=Pq6A7jK3H0CStM:&tbnh=94&tbnw=63&zoom=1&usg=__ztWCaWyooV6wXLRCvEQCxP1olfA=&docid=_Gn-s8Q_zVEKtM&sa=X&ei=HKdrUpuCOMXokQfkzYBw&sqi=2&ved=0CIoBEP4dMA4

Radclyffe Hall ('The Well of Loneliness'):

http://www.google.com.br/imgres?imgurl=http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/GUARDIAN/Pix/pictures/2013/6/3/1370278621114/Radclyffe-Hall-008.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/jun/07/trials-radclyffe-hall-review&h=276&w=460&sz=16&tbnid=vqO8n8X2KU3vhM:&tbnh=88&tbnw=147&zoom=1&usg=__BtzmZrpOBxY9F8ohztRyWNH7Wn8=&docid=9_WhpPfSCYapBM&sa=X&ei=XadrUpeVBo-OkAfu3IC4AQ&sqi=2&ved=0CI0BEP4dMAs

http://www.google.com.br/imgres?imgurl=http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WbNnCSS9lU0/UChIkmMFIuI/AAAAAAAAHkQ/K-yt77LLaMQ/s400/Radclyffe%2BHall.jpg&imgrefurl=http://nopoboho.blogspot.com/2012/08/born-on-this-day-august-12th-radclyffe.html&h=250&w=298&sz=11&tbnid=25l5Dpta_OrEJM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=108&zoom=1&usg=__-K22t5mQ5Ft638rTMxnwaN0x3X8=&docid=5o4H2J6kzY6zfM&sa=X&ei=zqlrUsbZN5K4kQf4hYCwAQ&sqi=2&ved=0CI8BEP4dMAw

Emily Hobhouse (Kitchener's 'That Bloody Woman'):

http://www.google.com.br/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Hobhouse.jpg&imgrefurl=http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Hobhouse&h=376&w=258&sz=18&tbnid=Qv4DXJWkQuqX7M:&tbnh=96&tbnw=66&zoom=1&usg=__M5q860ayzEaDhP2mLngmLo5Ez3U=&docid=huzHXD7RK2hVCM&sa=X&ei=N6hrUo6GDoWPkAe3i4DwAQ&sqi=2&ved=0CJEBEP4dMAs

Katharine 'Slacks' Houghton Hepburn:

http://www.google.com.br/imgres?imgurl=http://suckitmartha.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/towlia.jpg&imgrefurl=http://suckitmartha.com/2011/08/15/how-to-wear-high-waisted-pants/&h=480&w=370&sz=46&tbnid=GrKvzThQ0addiM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=69&zoom=1&usg=__oHGAZC2sg9OjVWixkN4IcSeQ90I=&docid=bHwpMbtHW-ik4M&sa=X&ei=6ahrUpiaA8er4AOT-YGIDg&ved=0CCgQ9QEwAA

(She'd certainly give Crompie and Will a run for their money in pants).

Last edited by Dudley Clarke (2013-10-26 06:09:57)


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#2 2013-10-26 05:49:26

fxh
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Re: Dandy Dames

Shouldn't it be Dud's Dandy Dames

 

#3 2013-10-26 06:03:26

Dudley Clarke
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I came up to see her sometimes.

 

#4 2013-10-28 05:01:23

Dudley Clarke
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Queen Elizabeth I:
''My loving people
We have been persuaded by some that are careful of our safety, to take heed how we commit our selves to armed multitudes, for fear of treachery; but I assure you I do not desire to live to distrust my faithful and loving people. Let tyrants fear. I have always so behaved myself that, under God, I have placed my chiefest strength and safeguard in the loyal hearts and good-will of my subjects; and therefore I am come amongst you, as you see, at this time, not for my recreation and disport, but being resolved, in the midst and heat of the battle, to live and die amongst you all; to lay down for my God, and for my kingdom, and my people, my honour and my blood, even in the dust.
I know I have the body of a weak, feeble woman; but I have the heart and stomach of a king, and of a king of England too, and think foul scorn that Parma or Spain, or any prince of Europe, should dare to invade the borders of my realm; to which rather than any dishonour shall grow by me, I myself will take up arms, I myself will be your general, judge, and rewarder of every one of your virtues in the field.
I know already, for your forwardness you have deserved rewards and crowns; and We do assure you on a word of a prince, they shall be duly paid. In the mean time, my lieutenant general shall be in my stead, than whom never prince commanded a more noble or worthy subject; not doubting but by your obedience to my general, by your concord in the camp, and your valour in the field, we shall shortly have a famous victory over these enemies of my God, of my kingdom, and of my people.''

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://c252289.r89.cf3.rackcdn.com/14189.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.leicestergalleries.com/19th-20th-century-paintings/d/portrait-of-queen-elizabeth-i/10621&h=505&w=474&sz=70&tbnid=Q3qDS6L4kY7yRM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=86&zoom=1&usg=__oeZNIawfz5_6RtF6evd1E4z4pUs=&docid=0TK1DyoIHepS3M&sa=X&ei=2ENuUof0KZPLkQf6xYHIAQ&ved=0CJ8BEP4dMBA


I came up to see her sometimes.

 

#5 2013-10-28 05:04:34

4F Hepcat
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Re: Dandy Dames

^There is a rumour that she was infact replaced by a man. So as a dandy, her selection is forfeit.


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#6 2013-10-28 05:42:46

Dudley Clarke
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I came up to see her sometimes.

 

#7 2013-10-28 06:25:00

4F Hepcat
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So far we have demonstrated historic dandizettes and dames, but does anyone now of any modern ones alive today?

Vivienne Westwood perhaps, but who else?


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#8 2013-10-28 06:43:08

Dudley Clarke
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Westwood, certainly. Vivienne Holloway is also a contender - although she is a bit stuck on 1940s' and 1950s' fashion (maybe I just dig her hour-glass models!).

Just like really well-dressed, living, modern men, les merveilleuses modernes are probably a rare breed. However, we should think of them too of course!


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#9 2013-10-28 07:12:54

adorable homunculus
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Madame de Pompadour, Edith Sitwell, Diana Vreeland, Pauline de Rothschild, Elsa Schiaparelli.


We dont need any of the clothes we buy except as a means to be the star in the film of our life populated by constructs  - FNB

 

#10 2013-10-28 07:32:55

Dudley Clarke
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Daphne Guinness - another living one:

https://www.google.com.br/search?q=daphne+guinness&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=HGhuUoSNA9DC4APF2YHIAQ&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=586#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=6A-6jObtj_o6lM%3A%3BesQ8wJWI-Hoq9M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.theartworlddaily.com%252Fwp-content%252Fuploads%252F2012%252F03%252FDaphne-Guinness-wearing-A-001.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.theartworlddaily.com%252F2012%252F03%252F02%252Fdaphne-guinness-collection-up-for-sale-at-christies%252F%3B460%3B276

Queen Alexandra:

http://www.google.com.br/imgres?imgurl=http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XuItqIn0Z0Q/Uifr-DjrpQI/AAAAAAAA3_Y/fO5eIVd_tqg/s640/alex%2B7.jpg&imgrefurl=http://postalhistorycorner.blogspot.com/2013/09/queen-alexandra.html&h=510&w=349&sz=43&tbnid=YYX5DVFobiOmwM:&tbnh=88&tbnw=60&zoom=1&usg=__UFTY3YMg5lP-Nf9Y_MFJzBCXzkg=&docid=95e1xAYNKA1tUM&sa=X&ei=sWduUoTrPNaq4APVmYDwDQ&sqi=2&ved=0CJUBEP4dMA0


Might I respectfully suggest including pictures, as these gals are much more interesting to look at than a bunch of Bozos.

Last edited by Dudley Clarke (2013-10-28 07:37:00)


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#11 2013-10-28 13:11:38

formby
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Re: Dandy Dames


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#12 2013-10-28 13:58:08

Gilbert the Filbert
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Re: Dandy Dames

Well, then: Lizzy Eustace of 'The Eustace Diamonds' (by Trollope) - but maybe, more female bounder than dandizette. Back to reality: Marlene.

Frankly, the world is being beset by the propulsion of male drag-acts as dandies - it should be refreshing to have some actual dames around.

Last edited by Gilbert the Filbert (2013-10-28 14:00:17)


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And thou be my Columbine fair,
My wand should, with one magic whisk,
Transport us to Hanover Square."                       The Knut with a 'K'.

 

#13 2013-10-30 02:13:50

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Re: Dandy Dames

It does appear that FNB's and Formby camp is winning the debate: the only female dandies are wannabee drag queens.


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#14 2013-10-30 18:59:18

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Po or old Dud and Gilbert too! They ought to be on PRESCRIBED medication. However, 'drag' is male pretending to be female and these guyeses are going about it arse-about-face - so give them a shout, please.

 

#15 2013-10-31 09:46:29

Sammy Ambrose
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If you aren't seeing through all three eyes at once day and night you are up shit creek without a paddle. The Shooman

 

#16 2013-10-31 09:51:19

formby
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Re: Dandy Dames

Drag just means a gender wearing the clothes associated with another gender.

Women wearing men's clothes had a certain vogue, amongst a certain type in the 20's.

As alluded to by the character Cissy Meldrew in the Jimmy Perry and David Croft penned comedy: You Rang M'Lord.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfQsKlnllyY


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#17 2013-10-31 10:19:33

Dudley Clarke
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Re: Dandy Dames

Well, the OED (which is not infallible) says that it is males dressed as females and there are no examples cited of the other way around. Does anyone know of any...


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#18 2013-10-31 10:25:03

formby
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Re: Dandy Dames

Last edited by formby (2013-10-31 10:28:31)


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#19 2013-10-31 10:30:57

Dudley Clarke
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I came up to see her sometimes.

 

#20 2013-10-31 10:38:25

formby
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"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

Souvent me Souvient

 

#21 2013-10-31 10:58:01

Dudley Clarke
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Re: Dandy Dames

Formby - Fair enough but that isn't the full OED.


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