My favourite Luther Vandross moment was when he provided the back up vocals on David Bowie's Young Americans LP.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSHY1_ux8rs
my Roy Ayres thing is more like this Formby
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU0rtC_iTGk
Being the male Nancy Mitford might suit him very well...
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Recommended reading is Peter York's 'Modern Times' - I think the essay is called 'How The Wedge Was Won'.
The fabled 'Jim's' partner (My step-mum) was a bit of a soul girl and used to wear head to toe Fiorucci at one point from the Kings Road shop.
http://www.fiorucci.it/
Literally all her clothes came from there at one point.
The cult of 'Jim' carries on on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/taylor.mcintyre.75 but not on here. It's been a great shop window for him though & he sends his love to FNB for giving him his break. He also sends love to all his co-opted publicists online. And so the story ends. He's had three pages on FB - The first topped 2.5K 'Friends', the second got 100 in the first day, this third one is just kept for his inner circle on FB. His mate Giz from here is on there.
Back on track -
Pubic shaving was a Soulie thing too, if the stories are to be believed. This was before 'Shaven Havens' and the current ubiquity of going pube-less. Fact or fiction ?
... As usual with these things, the mythology is more powerful than the actuality I suspect.
Best -
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What else does a promoter do but promote ?
- The Organisation thanks you for all your Pro-Bono work. Do please keep on talking about him. God forbid that any of his scams should ever die.
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pray tell, The Organisation is who? Are they dangerous?
These were general fashion trends, not niche.
I'd argue that it was the ex-casuals starting the general trends. The top dressers were very influential and it always seemed to filter down. This led to some fashion disasters by the time schoolkids got hold of the trends. The hair was the worst thing, looking back, bubble perm boys were always ridiculed as "Mooncat" after the kids tv show.
The 80s/50s thing was very cool and understated. The Levis ads certainly made an impact. I-D magazine at this time ran a feature on essential menswear items and among them were, amongst other things, Bass Weejuns, the Brooks Brothers button down and Pendletons (and 501s of course). 1987 this was (I think).
I revisited this article recently and was surprised to see no mention of JS in relation to such garb. I know he never courted the press but I would have thought style journos knew enough to mention him.
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The man perm was very popular sometime during 85 as I remember, I always thought it's popularity came from the Brookside characters Barry Grant and Terry Sullivan. It likely came from Kevin Keegan before them. One of my old colleagues sported one right until the mid 1990s. Awful look.
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The Sade track on the soundtrack of AB, 'Killer Blow' is ace.
As a film, I agree with Hepcat. Its not a life-changer but it is pleasant viewing really.
It would be an odd film, to say the least, if it was a direct novel-to-cinema translation.
Yuca, I only include the Jason Jules quote as he was making a link between casuals and soul/jazz funk. The statements he makes are a little all-encompassing to be honest, there were more factors at play than those which he states here.
Last edited by Charlie Kasso (2013-11-21 06:01:21)
Some interesting stuff being discussed here. I'd like to throw in two questions on things which I wondered about in my younger years. Unfortunately, they have to do with PW / TSC.
Up till today, I don't know what to make out of this wedge PW sports in the "Our favourite shop"-phase. Was that a fashionable / cool haircut at the time? Does it relate to the casual/soulboy-thing you are discussing? In Germany, this kind of haircut was being worn by the so-called "Poppers" at the end of the 70s / early 80s. I tend to think that he was just looking for something different and liked the look, but mabye there is some "meaning" behind it.
The second thing is a scene in the promo video for "A solid bond in your heart". At the end, PW/MT leave the empty hall and a group of younger kids enters it. For me, it came across a bit like a change of the guard thing, a la here comes the next generation. These kids were clearly no mods or whatsoever. Could they fit the "casual" scheme?