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#676 2013-12-06 09:44:41

formby
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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?

I liked his Chittleborough & Morgan suit. Wasn't keen on the raised back seam though.


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#677 2013-12-07 05:11:16

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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?

The strength of feeling that Sly Crompioni rouses up is amazing - but part of it must surely be that he is so utterly clueless - no innate sense of style at all - and he has the neck (and what a neck it is) to stand on the soap box, all serious-like - misleading the young and impressionable - the flat-fronted trousers are plainly to appeal to youngsters, even though they scream 'style abortionist!' and make him look like a dishevelled twerp. But trousers are never the strong point of the on-line entrepreneurs. They all claim that the shirt is the focal point of an outfit - but hardly anything of the shirt is seen under a suit coat, especially when a vest is worn too - the fact of the matter is that Sly don't know nuttin' 'bout trews; 'his' tailors probably sus this and give him sumpt'in' that looks as though it came off the rack in Marks & Spencer circa 1973.

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#678 2013-12-07 05:45:07

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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?

he lauds a flat fronted trouser, deliberately designed to sit on the hip like a jean, its just so very wrong with tailored clothing. he claims he finds it more comfortable, but I don't think ANYONE who understands tailored clothing would agree with this. Its pretty much a fact that a trouser sitting on the natural waist looks right (as the jacket waist corresponds to this horizontal line), sits better as there is a natural divot in your body for it to sit on and also covers your stomach (which even slim men have to some extent). Any tailor will tell you the same with about 200 years cumulative knowledge on the row, every menswear guru from Flusser to Boyer also would advise the same. This idiot though wants to go to places like Huntsman, Cifonelli etc. and ask for a jeans style tailored suit trouser? It makes you wonder what they must be thinking, as they must fear for their reputations making such things which are then marketed on the internet. I haven't asked but I'm pretty sure my tailor would tell me that they don't make such a trouser in his establishment, likely sending me elsewhere. As I said Compey is basically trying to go out of his way to dress like a prole but in some of the most highly esteemed tailoring houses in the world.

ON the shirt issue, you are absolutely right, a shirt in classic menswear is a piece of fucking underwear at the end of the day. Under a waistcoat you can only really see the collar and cuffs. Without a waistcoat between the front of the jacket your tie covers most of the shirt as well so again its really only the collar and cuffs which show. Which makes all this fucking talk about handwork ridiculous especially handwork which they admit is only for show as there is no benefit over a hand stich. Its clearly a case of these iGent fuckwits coming from a place of wearing a shirt as outerwear and not being used to wearing a jacket, so they are left with the impression that a shirt should be showy. Complete buffoons.

Compey is a self proclaimed guru, but he is false prophet. He doesn't have the knowledge to advise men and certainly not men who want to spend thousands of pounds on tailored clothing in places where they teach you how to dress if you lack some knowledge (but have the cash). Most of the houses on the Row will give you pretty honest good advise if you ask for it, if you are lucky and get someone who I use for example, who has dressed some of the best dressed men in the world you will be shown what fabrics and patterns go with what, what cut would flatter you (after all bespoke is about what flatters you which is even more specific than what flatters men in general) and so on. Therefore Comps services are not really required by men who actually can afford to be dressed in places he covers. I cant help wondering if he would be happier serving the jeans and t shirt crowd, surely the Abercrombie and Fitches have more marketing budget, he prefers the casual aesthetic, he has covered Trunk a couple of times which does serve this market so wonder why he chooses to stick with high end bespoke tailoring houses?

fruity

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#679 2013-12-07 05:50:16

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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?

More power to you fruity

 

#680 2013-12-07 05:52:33

formby
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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?

Flat fronted trousers look good on the young a trim, and that's probably the demographic he's aiming for.

There's two things to consider. What the tailor thinks looks good and what the customer wants.

They don't always synchronise.


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#681 2013-12-07 06:07:00

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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?

Oh, and by the way, shirts are not mere underwear.

That only a small percentage of shirt is 'on show' is true and with that in mind, it is all the more reason to make them stand out.

Ties are similar. They are useless, but their very uselessness is what makes them attractive to the dresser, they are an adornment, and therefore a vehicle for self-expression.

Hand stitching on a shirt is never a good idea.


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#682 2013-12-07 06:10:08

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#683 2013-12-07 06:13:45

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#684 2013-12-07 06:19:22

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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#685 2013-12-07 06:29:32

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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#686 2013-12-07 06:47:09

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"Florid, smug, middle-aged golf club bore in this country I'd say. Propping up the 19th hole in deepest Surrey bemoaning the perils of immigration."

 

#687 2013-12-07 06:49:10

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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?

Ok, so you have your trousers at the natural waist which is the main thing. People think flat fronts look better as the guys who are usually seen wearing pleats are usually portly old timers, therefore people think wearing pleats will make themselves look portly but of course this isn't a fair test, on a young slim man pleats look elegant.

I have given up following what iGents do as I am convinced now that 99.9% of them are totally clueless. Most of them look like bad caricatures of the English gentry, at best the remainder look like 'old fogeys'. As a side, I was a guest of someone at Whites on St James St the other day, with a membership of old blokes who authentically dress in a way these 'old fogeys' try and emulate. However, looking around and listening to these guys you wonder why the fuck you would want to pretend to be part of this sort of set, as they seem like the most pompous load of old bores you could possible imagine. Also, why would you want to hang out where there are no women? That's why I go out .. maybe these guys cant get on with women (or are closet homosexuals) so they want to avoid their company.

fruity

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#688 2013-12-07 06:50:10

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#689 2013-12-07 06:55:11

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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?


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#690 2013-12-07 07:04:40

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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?


Hide thy infants, hide thy Lady, and hide thy husband, alas they art forcing sexual intercourse upon the entire populace. - Wm Shakespeare

 

#691 2013-12-07 07:08:17

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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#692 2013-12-07 07:22:07

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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?

Deciding on pleats or no pleats is a reasonable choice. However, wearing top-end-made suit trousers on the hips, leaving a ruddy great shirt-gap between coat button and trouser tops is just ludicrous. As Fruity says above (and I agree with a lot of his views above - except the bit on clubs - more infra) the tailors are probably torn between falling for his blagging on PR and having their names associated with Cromp-tat all over the www.

English clubs, Fruity are where we go to escape the ladies - but you are obviously too young to understand this growing need in advancing years. Yackety-yack-yack-yack-yack. Far better to go somewhere where one can say ''I said to him and he said to me, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah blah, blah - and fall asleep under a copy of The Times, which gently susurrates in time to persistent post-prandial flatulence.


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#693 2013-12-07 07:37:32

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Hide thy infants, hide thy Lady, and hide thy husband, alas they art forcing sexual intercourse upon the entire populace. - Wm Shakespeare

 

#694 2013-12-07 07:38:22

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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?


I came up to see her sometimes.

 

#695 2013-12-07 08:03:17

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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?

I had a job to get my tailor to make my trousers to finish under my nipples. Always flat fronted for me, 12" rise is just right for me. He was completely right about making a spread collared shirt for a suit rather than BD though. Not that I listened at the time.

I read some of these Chumps things out of interest but never take notice of advise or tips he gives. Seeing as he can't sew a button on a coat and I can't, I can't see that he really knows any more about clothing than me.

He is lucky to be able to pounce stuff for nothing. I kind of admire him for that.


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#696 2013-12-07 08:16:29

Dudley Clarke
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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?


I came up to see her sometimes.

 

#697 2013-12-07 08:41:58

Goodyear welt
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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?

He gets loads of clothes for free. Where as with credit you end up with even bigger goons that Chumps calling round and nicking your telly.


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#698 2013-12-07 09:13:53

Dudley Clarke
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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?


I came up to see her sometimes.

 

#699 2013-12-07 10:07:28

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Re: Is Simon Crompton the new Francis Bown?


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#700 2013-12-07 10:58:55

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I came up to see her sometimes.

 

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