Anyone know anything about Puerto Rico. What's the climate, culture and area like? What type of clothes would one wear in P.R? Is it a safe area to travel? Can one wear leather sole shoos at Puerto Rico?
I've been asked by a top New York doctor/surgeon/professor to attend a diet conference to present my research study on the dangers of a raw vegan diet and the solutions to making it work, but l am alittle hesitant because l loathe the idea of having to travel overseas (l am not a vagabond) and don't know anything about the area, + looking at pictures makes it not the type of place one would wear leather soled shoos. This could have been my big break to make an impact in front of some of the world's top diet experts and some of my lifelong mentors, but if l can't wear leather soled shoos with the soles sticthed on l will tell the good doctor and my diet heros to go to buggery.
I am an aussie, so l am not supposed to go into fancy looking areas....l like dust and dirt and talking to Paul Hogan types, not talking to fancy high level doctors and the like.
Put my mind at ease fellas. Tell me it's a safe area and l can wear leather soled shoos, that may change my mind. Do people wear suits in those countries for business, or are flip flops and casual more the go?
It's a United States territory with shops like Brooks Brothers tending to local lawyers and assorted profesionals. The norm is for professionals to wear leather shoes, suit and ties. Children and adolescents wear weejuns to private schools. You should be OK and able to wear your shoes for all the proper occasions.
Last edited by Senorservo2.0 (2013-12-25 00:01:21)
Hands down best ever post from Shooey.
A man of extreme contrasts.
Chévere is from there so I'm sure he is very well qualified to answer. However I find the op a bit confusing.
l am not your average ham sandwich.
What season is it there, and is it hot or cold?
Shooey!!!!!
I am pleased as punch to be able to help you! And excited!
Go to Puerto Rico. It's an interesting mix, a hispanic culture with american culture painted over it. The temperature is 80-90 degrees farenheit year round, but there is a constant breeze so if you get hot, get in the shadow and the breeze will you cool off right away.
The hotel district is pretty american in flavor but there are a lot of locals in the service industry and professionals that work in the city.
As far as how people dress, if somebody is wearing shorts I assume its a tourist unless it's a young guy going to the beach.
People there like to look good in clothes, so usually it'll be long pants. Your shoes will DEFINITELY will be appreciated by the locals.
The traditional men's clothing store where my Grand father, Dad, and I shopped was "Clubman" and it recently closed after several generations in the same family. The line up was Hickey Freeman suits for American style, but the rest was italian style mid to upper range. The one thing they used to sell that you should look into is a "Guayabera" shirt. It is a traditional shirt and the name refers to the pockets in the shirt which were big enough to put a few guavas in when you went out for a Sunday stroll. There are many cheap ones around but you can find fine ones in pure linen and some with french cuffs. My mother's X-Mas gift last year was a linen french cuff guayabera in eggshell white. There are many cheap ones on the internet but if you wear a nice Guayabera shirt to your conference with a nice pair of slacks and one of your shoes people will speak to you in spanish.
I was totally unaware of the english cut until my freshman year in college ('73) when I spent a month in London. It was the peacock era and I bought a Michael Barrie hacking style tweed suit that I beat to death and used to get lots of comments on because it was so different from anything in PR. The fact that I would wear tweed in PR (although at night when it wasn't boiling hot) tells you something about what some Puerto Rican kids will do to look sharp.
So Shooey, don't be afraid of looking sharp, it's not like Jamaica or Trinidad where expats go to relax or dress "for the tropics". On the contrary, the logic is not to dress appropriately for an island, but to dress civilized like "the mainlanders".
As I said above the best bet will be lightweight slacks with a good quality Guayabera and your shoes. You'll not be hot (as you would be in a suit) and will be appropriate for many social situations.
There are embroidered Guayaberas but don't touch them unless it's in the same thread as the rest of the shirt. Long sleeved ones are more formal, short sleeved ones are more for daytime.
BTW, the word there for mate is "pana".
Take a stroll in Old San Juan.
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Chevere - interesting to hear about the closing of Clubman, they had great grooming products, my father would get basics there such as socks and ties but would always get the rest at Press and Brooks in NY as he wasn't into the italian look - which I beleive got more pronounced after the 70's.
Where would you get a good quality Guayabera? I prefer Puertorican version over the the cuban style ones we have in miami. Are there any good non- tourist traps shops for guayabera in old san juan? I've been looking for a light yellow one for years and will try to hunt one the next time I head down there.... Do you know who makes the top guayaberas in the island?
Thanks !
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Those Ramon Puig's are OK - but their quality has gone down and they really don't look like the ol' puerto rico made guayaberas - the ones I'm thinking about have very fine and expensive embroidery of flower motifs with contrasting light colors. My father had them made bespoke but the tailor is long gone... For some reason the Puig ones always makes me think of a waiter at cuban restaurant. The ones my father wore were proper for university lectures... I still see some old timers in PR wearing the clasic ones with the fine embroidery - next time i'm there im going to ask around - there must be someone still making those...
As for Shooman - i would pack dress pants, polo shirts, a suit and tie. People there like to dress up so you wont look out of place. And like Chevere, I recommend a guayabera - and why not? It will be fun and you'll have a really cool garment to take back home and since Australia is warm - you'll be able to wear it.
Also bring a swimsuit - and do pack boots in case you deside to take a day visiting the rainforest park...
Last edited by Senorservo2.0 (2013-12-25 12:44:13)
Servo, I'll ask my brother who still lives there.
I doubt anybody makes them anymore in PR. But I agree about the Miami Cuban style. All this color and embroidery stuff, even some without pockets, is messing with a very successful and timeless formula.
If too ornamented you look like a tourist, when too white and spare you look like a dentist. When you hit it right (fabric, cut design) it looks refined yet unassuming, serious yet relaxed, etc.
The best examples I saw were always a shade or two off-white with pleats and just the slightest hint of see through fabric. Embroidery is hard to pull off but I have seen some good ones.
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Thank you! Let me know if you find anything. I wish i had kept my father's guayaberas, they were one of a kind and kick myself for not appreciating them at the time. Yes, a light shade off-white will work best -
I've been wanting to visit la isla del encanto for a number of years now. This thread is the closest I'm going to be getting for the foreseeable future, and it's a treat to learn more about this place. Thanks.
Appropriately enough, here are Xmas celebrations in PR from back in the day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFwByBKrr4I
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Puerto Ricans are not healthy eaters but I know the natural food thing is making some inroads there.
There are unsafe areas in PR, but no kidnapping stuff. There is violent crime but is usually drug related.
Ask your hosts or people in the hotel to let you know where to go.
BTW, do you know the hotel or general area where you are going to be?
If you are in a hotel by the beach open the windows wide and let the breeze and the sound of the breaking waves lull you to sleep. Not only is going to sleep great, but one of the best sensations in the world is to wake up to the sound of braking waves.
I have heard that crime in PR is a serious issue, i.e. even in comparison to the US. It wouldn't stop me from going there, but I would certainly advise caution when you are there.
However Colombia is nowhere near as bad as it used to be, indeed it is now possibly a safer tourist destination than many parts of the US.
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One of many major problems with cooked food is that it turns off a trigger in our brain (forget the scientific name) that tells us when we are full, so we always overeat, + we eat way too fast. A plate of food should take about 90 minutes to finish if chewed properly (essential), but very very few people do this.
We can eat two meals per day and get ample nutritents if we do it right, and we don't need to be too thin if we do certain exercises. For a whole day l will have between 16 - 19 tablespoons of food (not including green juices) and l am completely satisfied and well noursished. Often l have one meal per day. I don't eat until mid afternoon.
Two small meals per day = 6 tablespoons of seed which is sprouted for lunch, + 3 tablespoons of seaweed. 5 tablespoons of legume seed and 5 tablespoons of bird seed for dinner which is sprouted, + a tablespoon of algae. That's it, but it needs to be done properly to make it work.
When you eat quality raw you don't need to eat alot. But if you cook that food you would feel hungry because of the reason l mentioned in the top line. Eat until 80% full, and NEVER eat until satisfied.
"cooked food should be made illegal"...it is the work of the devil!
All your dreams can come true if we devote ourselves to this lifestyle. Actually, it will exceed all your wildest dreams and you truely live. It's all within ourselves and we can be on a natural high all day, and when you are like that bordem becomes a thing of the past and you don't need t.v and other entertainment. I could live in a cave and be in bliss, and hopefully one day l leave civilisation, become a recluse, take the vow of silence and meditate like the yogis day and night while living on my own urine and giving up food forever.
Last edited by The_Shooman (2013-12-25 17:19:00)
'Cooed food'? By that do you specifically mean pigeon?
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