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#1 2006-11-18 10:16:06

Marc Grayson
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Lacing Up History: Russian Reindeer Hide

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/02/fashion/02bespoke.html?ex=1163998800&en=f24205ef077bfb23&ei=5070


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#2 2006-11-18 21:21:36

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Re: Lacing Up History: Russian Reindeer Hide

Why wont this story die?

 

#3 2006-11-18 21:37:44

Tomasso
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#4 2014-01-14 15:24:45

chatsworth osborne jr.
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Re: Lacing Up History: Russian Reindeer Hide

Zombie thread revival!  Andyland has a thread on this nonsense again.  I don't get the hype and I'm getting to think the myth is meaningless and the cross-hatching and maybe the dopey root beer smell is the only tangible quality of any worth.

 

#5 2014-01-14 15:32:46

doghouse
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Re: Lacing Up History: Russian Reindeer Hide

Aroma you say?


Hide thy infants, hide thy Lady, and hide thy husband, alas they art forcing sexual intercourse upon the entire populace. - Wm Shakespeare

 

#6 2014-01-14 18:04:04

dryplum
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Re: Lacing Up History: Russian Reindeer Hide

This Russian Reindeer leather product is one of the most laughably & cynical attempts to fool the credible 'luxury goods' buyer for a long time. It's the only stuff around so it MUST be special and expensive even though on examination its unattractive & boring stuff. It's supposed properties of strength & durability seem dubious as well.

Its interesting to note who jumped on this bandwagon of bullshit though, (1) obviously the salvage crew who expended enormous costs in recovery of a trunk full of leather, instead of the gold coins they were hoping for smile (2) gj cleverley who bought a lot of it up to make into bespoke shoes. Unsurprising, as they are perhaps the most untrustworthy shoe maker in London, who openly denigrate their competition, lie about their standard and Anthony Cleverley RTW production, which sends the iGent community into endless debates trying to solve a poirot style shoe manufacture mystery .. who on earth makes them? (3) Who else but my own favourite blogger, Will Boehlke from Suitable (but dull as dishwater) Wardrobe. Not only does he blog about the stuff, promoting its mythical qualities but he sells various accessories from the aforementioned Cleverley who have made some of it into Filofaxes (who the hell uses these in 2014?), wallets and so on. Apparantly there are not as many gullible bespoke shoe buyers as they may have imagined. This is why I called Will Boehlke out on here, as he is a fraud, regardless of his bumbling nice old American gentleman routine. He is one of the chief proponents of a lot of the sartorial bullshit we are all tierd of hearing about on various forums & a cheap snake oil salesman.

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#7 2014-01-14 19:02:56

chatsworth osborne jr.
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Re: Lacing Up History: Russian Reindeer Hide

No, no, the magical Russkies of yore had ancient secret recipes that modern science can in no way replicate!
I'd love to know who attempted this.  I get the feeling that it was one nutty professor and not an established tannery.

 

#8 2014-01-14 21:57:40

The_Shooman
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Re: Lacing Up History: Russian Reindeer Hide

l have been trying for years to find an excuse to wear Russian calf shoes, but so far l cannot find one. A nice pair of country reverse welted brogues would be nice from Cleverley, but l don't wanna folk out around 7K for shoes l would only wear occasionally. Better off sticking to vintage Florshiem or Trickers for my country shoes, they serve the purpose well.

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#9 2014-01-15 03:04:02

dryplum
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Re: Lacing Up History: Russian Reindeer Hide

From SW own blog ...

Tuesday, September 10, 2013 In The Drink .. written by Réginald-Jérôme de Mans

First he says: "Part of the Russian reindeer romance is that it was tanned according to a formula that was lost after the Russian Revolution.  It’s true that no leather is made like this today, both because the exact formulas of the tanning solutions are no longer known and because certain of the processes used, such as immersion in oak bark pits for nine to 18 months and applying the cross-hatched grain (coffering) by hand, would be cost-prohibitive today"

Then he goes onto say:


"even Hermès made a few bags and wallets in it in the 1990s.  They appear to have passed a little on to their bespoke shoemaking arm: Anthony Delos once reminisced about working with it while at John Lobb Paris.  The distinctive smell and stiffness, which made it excruciatingly painful to work, stayed with him.


Because of that stiffness, it would seem to me that Russian reindeer isn’t best suited for shoes, even though I couldn’t resist the story and had Cleverley make me a pair.  Some of the vintage bespoke Russian reindeer shoes that come up for auction have significant cracking, so I’d recommend treating shoes made with it frequently, advice I ought to take myself"


So this supposed brilliant long lost technique for tanning reindeer leather results in a leather which is stiff, cracks and has to be treated frequently. Its hilarious as this stuff was found on a shipwreck meaning it had a great backstory for the bullshit peddlers who wanted to sell it on in various products, but it not only isn't superior to normal calf leather its actually worse. What an absolute joke.

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#10 2014-01-15 04:39:28

Dudley Clarke
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I came up to see her sometimes.

 

#11 2014-01-15 05:09:25

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I nearly purchased the New & Lingwood Russian calf shoes that had been manufactured by C&J's. They were 1200 quid at the time, the only thing that stopped me, was that they took a dislike to my credit card. When I tried to arrange a bank transfer, I ended up speaking to this rather well spoken gentleman who was rather dismissive and turned nasty when we tried the credit card a few more times, so I decided that fate didn't want me to own a pair of shoes made from this mythical 400 year old leather.


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#12 2014-01-15 06:32:44

Sammy Ambrose
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Re: Lacing Up History: Russian Reindeer Hide


If you aren't seeing through all three eyes at once day and night you are up shit creek without a paddle. The Shooman

 

#13 2014-01-15 06:57:39

Dudley Clarke
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Re: Lacing Up History: Russian Reindeer Hide


I came up to see her sometimes.

 

#14 2014-01-15 07:11:13

chatsworth osborne jr.
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Re: Lacing Up History: Russian Reindeer Hide

I've read up a bit on this and there are repeated mentions that the birch-tanning and cross-hatching were for bookbinding leather. 
It's as if I found some old unhung wallpaper and decided to use it as luxury stationery.

 

#15 2014-01-15 07:30:30

Sammy Ambrose
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If you aren't seeing through all three eyes at once day and night you are up shit creek without a paddle. The Shooman

 

#16 2014-01-15 10:26:39

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#17 2014-01-15 10:31:57

Sal
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Re: Lacing Up History: Russian Reindeer Hide

Buying shoes made form leather that has been underwater for a couple of hundered years has to be a bad idea.  No wonder they crack - salt water and leather is a disastrous combination.

 

#18 2014-01-15 11:12:03

dryplum
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Re: Lacing Up History: Russian Reindeer Hide

exactly, the hype claims the following;

"In the late 1700s, Russian leather was sought after for not only being exceptionally beautiful, supple and water resistant, but for its aroma so rich it could repel insects"

well beautiful is of course in the eye of the beholder, personally I find it looks ok but nothing special at all, rustic looking leather but basically not dissimilar to a tan calf leather if it had been scored. supple .. well we know that isn't true .. its stiff as a board. water resistant .. perhaps it was .. but is it still after being underwater for several hundred years?

The story goes on ...

"The hides were pulled up in bundles, and amazingly a remarkable number were found to be almost perfectly preserved, protected by a combination of water pressure and sediment – and miraculous good luck. Although early attempts at restoring the hides were disappointing, Snelson eventually perfected his technique, and the original beauty and magic reappeared almost flawlessly"

So basically this stuff wasn't even sealed off in any way .. it was actually submerged in water and mud. they had to restore it, in a way which sounds quite experimental, but the properties are likely changed which is why it cracks and dries easily. Who wants to buy leather which has basically been waterlogged .. and at a price higher than exotic skins as well! What a joke. Perhaps Cleverley will branch out into 'rare' tulip bulbs as well in the future?

http://www.centurion-magazine.com/home/style/womens-fashion/sunken-leather.html

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#19 2014-01-15 16:16:09

The_Shooman
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#20 2014-01-15 17:46:02

dryplum
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Re: Lacing Up History: Russian Reindeer Hide

well you've got comps seal of approval on the stuff!

http://www.permanentstyle.co.uk/2010/02/reindeer-bag-from-1786.html#.UtcqTTiYaP4

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#21 2014-01-16 04:32:17

Sammy Ambrose
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If you aren't seeing through all three eyes at once day and night you are up shit creek without a paddle. The Shooman

 

#22 2014-01-16 05:56:29

Dudley Clarke
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Re: Lacing Up History: Russian Reindeer Hide

The history aspect is appealing.


I came up to see her sometimes.

 

#23 2014-01-16 06:38:26

The_Shooman
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#24 2014-01-16 06:48:31

The_Shooman
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#25 2014-01-16 09:05:31

isshinryu101
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Re: Lacing Up History: Russian Reindeer Hide

great pairs, Shooey!

 

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