All the illuminati/templar in its modern form stuff goes back to French conspiracies during the revolution.. It was all BS to help the revolution. More interesting than conspiracies is the story behind most of them. The illuminati did exist but we're actually scientific sorts. The church considered them occult because the went against the church's teaching and try to teach scientific reasoned therioes. I believe this was mainly round Germany or Austria God knows what the he'll it's come to symbolise. 

You can be to open to suggestion as well as being to closed off. I do believe in a ruling elite stands to make sense we always have had this hierarchy in human societies. Whether these people are reptiles.. I'm not so sure. What I am sure about is they'll use any method available to maintain their influence and protect their interests.

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^Quite correct Sammy, the media spin on Prince William going to Cambridge for an agriculture course which has focused on his A Level grades, which are totally irrelevent as a mature student with a vast array of practical experience, is pretty obnoxious IMCO, with all these undergraduates with no work experience, moaning that he hasn't qualified for Cambridge. Utter tosh, and I can conclude this is a warning broadside by the press, to remind the Royal family that they are here to destroy, so please give us what we want.

^Oh, I don't agree, they have served, that's more than what I have ever done.

I respect them for that.

Shooey, if you would just read that link you posted about revived Order of St. John (the English one), it is not affiliated with the Knights of Malta, who are more direct descendants of the original crusading order, and it is in no way under the authority of His Holiness the Pope.

Where do the Knights Templar fit into all this business?

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Shooey, here are some words of wisdom for you:

There is one God in Heaven,
And He made one Sun to rule the day,
And one moon to govern the night,
And there is one Ruler on Earth,
And that is the Ruler of ROME.
Bow down before him!

(And I am sure some of the classic cinema buffs here will recognize where this came from!)

Shooey, Luther "took on the Vatican" in 1517, not 1592, as you state. He died early in 1546.

Frank explains what the illuminati are from 31:30 onwards. Very very interesting stuff. He also explains how the Knights of Malta now include protestants and muslims in the order. He says the main threat is not the iluminati, but it is the rise of Nihilism via economics like imo the globalisation fraud and global warming frauds used to justify actions for controlling groups of people and wipe out the middle class. He says there are three levels of the illuminati - 1st level is the presidents, famous artists, nobel prize winners etc - 2nd level are oil barrons, Royal families etc, and the top level are the Jesuits who are generally poor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VTTBaF84ow

Fasinating stuff!