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#1 2014-02-28 13:50:25

Worried Man
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ATTENTION SPAMMERS


"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#2 2014-02-28 15:07:15

doghouse
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Re: ATTENTION SPAMMERS

^ Dude's a hitman y'all. Watch the eff out.

And your Big knockers suck btw.


Hide thy infants, hide thy Lady, and hide thy husband, alas they art forcing sexual intercourse upon the entire populace. - Wm Shakespeare

 

#3 2014-02-28 22:50:40

The_Shooman
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Posts: 13191

Re: ATTENTION SPAMMERS

It would be good if the forum had a system whereby any posters registering were given certain yerms and conditions and warnings of issuing commercial liens against their assets should they be spammers. It might be tricky to enforce due to possible legal technicalities, and much tracking and investigations would need to be done to prove a person's guilt, especially if they use a false ISP number, but it might be able to be done, but it would bve close to impossible to pull it off. The biggest problem is the resources required, proving guilt, proving communications with them, and getting the money out of people so we can completely ruin their life.

It's good to dream. Prosecuting for spam would be super difficult.

Last edited by The_Shooman (2014-02-28 22:55:29)

 

#4 2014-03-01 01:02:21

woofboxer
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From: The Lost County of Middlesex
Posts: 7959

Re: ATTENTION SPAMMERS

That would be great Shooey, but as you say time consuming and expensive and there are thousands of these idiots out there. I have considered that a few might be put off by making the registration process a bit more time consuming, incorporating a few salient questions like 'Are you a spammer?' and making them acknowledge warnings like 'All spam is deleted promptly'. Changes like that normally have to be paid for so that would be a matter for our benefactor Film Noir Buff.

As it stands I would like to think that our transglobal system of moderators spanning several time zones works well. Spam is usually removed quite quickly, often within minutes. If any spammers are reading this .........get lost you useless losers!!


'I'm not that keen on the Average Look .......ever'. 
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#5 2014-03-01 05:45:18

NJS
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Re: ATTENTION SPAMMERS

It's never difficult to spot the spam threads. If the spammers learn that they are being ignored, shortly before being deleted, maybe they will bugger off. Apart from that, it is difficult to understand that anyone believes that promulgating such bilge makes any kind of commercial sense!

 

#6 2014-03-01 07:09:21

Worried Man
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From: Davebrubeckistan
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Re: ATTENTION SPAMMERS


"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#7 2014-03-01 08:43:50

NJS
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Re: ATTENTION SPAMMERS

 

#8 2014-03-01 10:09:55

doghouse
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Re: ATTENTION SPAMMERS

^ Dunno. But they need new algorithms if they come here and try to spam 10 people. I'm pretty sure there are bigger fish in the sea.


Hide thy infants, hide thy Lady, and hide thy husband, alas they art forcing sexual intercourse upon the entire populace. - Wm Shakespeare

 

#9 2014-03-01 15:13:23

The_Shooman
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From: AUSTRALIA
Posts: 13191

Re: ATTENTION SPAMMERS

Surely these dumb spammers aren't making any money out of it. Forum members despise these people and l am sure no-one is going to be buying off them. I think many of them are probably marketing people from third world countries where advertising this way is the latest and greatest thing, but the penny hasn't dropped that most people see this advertising as a load of sh*t.

I like the sneaky ones that are taught to say "l like your forum" or "that is very interesting". I report those sneaks really quick.

The really interesting ones are the fools that will spam dozens of times with the one message. Like, why would someone do that? Are some of these spammers really such severe mental cases to think they can make lots of sales doing something so idiotic?

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#10 2014-03-01 18:08:52

Worried Man
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From: Davebrubeckistan
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Re: ATTENTION SPAMMERS

It's truly baffling.  But damn, those cabinets are pretty nice to be as cheap as they are.  Mine were installed today.


"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#11 2014-03-02 06:57:59

Sammy Ambrose
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Re: ATTENTION SPAMMERS


If you aren't seeing through all three eyes at once day and night you are up shit creek without a paddle. The Shooman

 

#12 2014-03-02 17:40:19

fxh
Big Down Under.
From: Melbourne
Posts: 6159

Re: ATTENTION SPAMMERS

I think I've explained it before. The spammers object isn't to get forum people to buy cooking benches. Its to use forums as "input" to Google /Bing etc to increase search engine rankings when people search for cooking benches - particularly - or only - in UK.

Google uses mentions in forums and respected sites as a way to increase rankings in their searches. The spammers use this by posting URLs in forums so that the google robot machine misunderstands these as mentions of the cooking benches site/url. This isn't all that straightforward as google does, to some extent, discount some of these techniques.

The spam is done by humans NOT robots/software. Low paid humans with basic english in Indonesia and Pakistan.

The stuff from here and other forums, is mainly done from Indonesia and India or Pakistan. It is done by Search Engine Optimisation companies - SEOs - hired by the cooking benches companies. It is possible to identify these companies but there is little point - this is how they make their money. To some extent they are said to be successful - type in  the "inexpensive K word UK" to a search engine and look at the first 3 pages of results - it will include up the top the companies that spam here.

My understanding is that these cooking benches companies in UK and somewhat of a scam in themselves. In that they sell substandard cooking benches, crappily installed, and /or take deposits and don't deliver anything. Local UK media has had stories.

Many legitimate businesses that do not understand the web - read most - will some times innocently hire spammer SEOs companies - in my view most if not all SEO companies are scammers - to improve their google rating. So that sometimes legitimate companies get caught up with their SEOs spamming sites.

SEO is easily done yourself for most businesses - however if you are - say a shirt company - like Lewins or H&S or Mercer or .... you may want to hire SEO people to make sure that your shirt company comes up on search engines appropriately. Usually you would hire your own person in house.

IIRC Oxford Cloth Button Down who posts here understands this SEO business as a proper professional.

So - responses here in comments to spammers makes no difference and has no effect on them. They do not check back. Deleting their posts has an effect. Deleting their URL from posts has a big effect. Remember they are NOT selling cooking benches here they are selling "better" search engine results to their customers the cooking benches company.

Given the amount of spam that infests forums from Multiple Sclerosis help forums to car forums all about "inexpensive UK - K word" its also reasonable to assume that the inexpensive cooking benches places are a scam in themselves. So what we have is scammers = the spammers - scamming - to an extent - the cooking scammers!. If you want to see the extent to which it is a universal forum problem - just bang "inexpensive K word forum spammers" into a search engine - forums everywhere have problems - especially those with only one moderator who only checks in once a week.

One solution might be to ban entire IPs, say India and Indonesia but then no one from there or traveling through could post. And I suspect they can just use IP anonomisers if they want.

Most participants here never see the spam - but if we left it alone for a week and deleted nothing then it is possible that the TOP 100 or more, posts in each forum would be Giant vibrator spam. This then spoils the forum by making the first page people open - all spam. Bumping old threads with spam isn't as bad -at least there is some content.

We keep it in check best by having a bunch of moderators in different time zones. I'm in Oz, WM is in backwoods hillbilly country in USA, Buffy is in another USA time zone to WM, woof is in UK, Armchaired is too and Bop is often on another planet. That means each of us will deleted 5 to 10 spams when they appear at different times so it never builds up a head of steam and swamps the forum.

 

#13 2014-03-02 17:41:07

fxh
Big Down Under.
From: Melbourne
Posts: 6159

Re: ATTENTION SPAMMERS

now thsi is funny - I'm been munged by my own spam munging - I'll go back and edit

 

#14 2014-03-03 08:18:04

doghouse
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Re: ATTENTION SPAMMERS


Hide thy infants, hide thy Lady, and hide thy husband, alas they art forcing sexual intercourse upon the entire populace. - Wm Shakespeare

 

#15 2014-03-03 14:59:18

Worried Man
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From: Davebrubeckistan
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Re: ATTENTION SPAMMERS

Yeah, we hire out some SEO here, but I think we explicitly stated we didn't want them to use spam tactics, per se.  We do most of our SEO in house though.  That's all I hear about, and it drives me crazy. "SEO SEO SEO SEO SEO"  And we do TONS of email marketing.

Last edited by Worried Man (2014-03-03 14:59:33)


"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#16 2014-03-03 15:09:29

Bop
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Re: ATTENTION SPAMMERS

I do the night shift

 

#17 2014-03-03 15:41:22

doghouse
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Re: ATTENTION SPAMMERS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTsw4g-cxgQ


Hide thy infants, hide thy Lady, and hide thy husband, alas they art forcing sexual intercourse upon the entire populace. - Wm Shakespeare

 

#18 2014-03-03 23:13:20

woofboxer
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From: The Lost County of Middlesex
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Re: ATTENTION SPAMMERS

It's a war out there, but we never blink.


'I'm not that keen on the Average Look .......ever'. 
John Simons

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#19 2014-03-04 01:25:19

fxh
Big Down Under.
From: Melbourne
Posts: 6159

Re: ATTENTION SPAMMERS

I'm trying not to lose my head, it's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder how I keep from going under.

 

#20 2014-03-04 01:54:47

woofboxer
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From: The Lost County of Middlesex
Posts: 7959

Re: ATTENTION SPAMMERS


'I'm not that keen on the Average Look .......ever'. 
John Simons

Achievements: banned from the Ivy Style FB Group

 

#21 2014-03-04 03:52:56

fxh
Big Down Under.
From: Melbourne
Posts: 6159

Re: ATTENTION SPAMMERS

 

#22 2014-03-04 06:38:38

Worried Man
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From: Davebrubeckistan
Posts: 15988

Re: ATTENTION SPAMMERS

And it costs a helluva lot to ship stuff to you.


"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#23 2014-03-04 07:24:09

Tudor
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Posts: 88

Re: ATTENTION SPAMMERS

Thanks for explaining that fxh.  Useful to know, I had no idea how it worked and that explains a lot.  Thanks for all your work too and the rest of the moderators.

 

#24 2014-03-04 07:35:38

Moose Maclennan
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#25 2014-03-04 14:43:05

Beestonplace
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Re: ATTENTION SPAMMERS

What is an "inexpensive K word"


I LOVE , this foum

 

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