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#2376 2014-10-09 07:42:59

Jeff Reed
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Re: Inane Overdrive-Brave New World Edition, 2013 and Beyond

This is our cultural baggage. A once overwhelmingly rural people, without much in the way of police forces, or a professional military, surrounded by potential enemies (some of whom had a lot of lucrative land), and in some internal areas a great fear of domestic insurrection, we included the right to have guns alongside the right to speak freely, the right to due process, and other, what we in the modern west would consider, basic human rights. There was not a lot of novelty to most of these rights. Contrary to the general American belief that we were the first to ensure these rights, most of them were lifted from the laws of the land most of us called the mother country - the Kingdom of Great Britain. The Bill of Rights was not an ideological revolution, but an evolution of well established laws that many Americans were familiar with.

And then there is popular historical revisionism which states that the Bill of Rights is some genius limitation on the powers of government that saves us from tyranny. It's just so obvious that they are necessary. But James Madison and Alexander Hamilton did not think so. In fact, they thought inclusion of enumerated rights was dangerous. That act in itself might limit our rights---government might one day declare that your rights emanate from this document, the one you are asserting is not in the text, and only the government can create rights.

Plus, the bill of rights was simply ignored when deemed expedient. Suppression of abolitionist mail. The right of due process denied under the Fugitive Slave Act, and so on. But revisionism states that this our defense against the overreach of government. Hardly. Madison had it right when he called it a mere scrap of paper giving the illusion of protection.

But I ramble. The point is that now the self-proclaimed defenders of our rights are these gun-toting jackalopes. The open carry idiots who walk down our streets with assault rifles hoping for an incident with the law. The fact is is that this right is not relevant or necessary for the bulk of now urbanized America with no need to take native lands, suppress slave revolts, police themselves, or defend against tyrannical threats.

 

#2377 2014-10-09 07:51:14

doghouse
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Re: Inane Overdrive-Brave New World Edition, 2013 and Beyond

Jeff, there's a lot of way off in there.

The Bill of Rights was not revolutionary, that is correct. And it has been ignored when expedient, that is also correct. But almost everything else you have stated is wrong.


Hide thy infants, hide thy Lady, and hide thy husband, alas they art forcing sexual intercourse upon the entire populace. - Wm Shakespeare

 

#2378 2014-10-09 18:16:56

captainpreppy
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Re: Inane Overdrive-Brave New World Edition, 2013 and Beyond

Last edited by captainpreppy (2014-10-09 18:18:19)

 

#2379 2014-10-09 18:49:42

Dudley Clarke
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Re: Inane Overdrive-Brave New World Edition, 2013 and Beyond

"Asshat" - new one to me. I might submit it to the OED.


I came up to see her sometimes.

 

#2380 2014-10-10 05:59:00

doghouse
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Re: Inane Overdrive-Brave New World Edition, 2013 and Beyond

How long have you been on the internet Dud?


Hide thy infants, hide thy Lady, and hide thy husband, alas they art forcing sexual intercourse upon the entire populace. - Wm Shakespeare

 

#2381 2014-10-10 06:49:18

Dudley Clarke
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I came up to see her sometimes.

 

#2382 2014-10-10 09:21:28

Kingston1an
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"Florid, smug, middle-aged golf club bore in this country I'd say. Propping up the 19th hole in deepest Surrey bemoaning the perils of immigration."

 

#2383 2014-10-13 16:45:28

chatsworth osborne jr.
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Re: Inane Overdrive-Brave New World Edition, 2013 and Beyond

Man goes into store wanting a grenadine tie, despite not really knowing what one is.  He asks the sales force and finds them as ignorant as he is.  There is nothing left to do in this idiotic quest but to ask the internet.  The clueless Quetzal, who is uncomfortable with malls, preferring flea markets, tell his dubious Nordstom tale about incredibly ignorant salesmen, and is called on it and then we then get mumbo jumbo about the term "tie clasp."
http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/forum/showthread.php?191177-Is-this-a-grenadine-tie

Last edited by chatsworth osborne jr. (2014-10-13 16:55:03)

 

#2384 2014-10-13 16:50:06

Worried Man
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Re: Inane Overdrive-Brave New World Edition, 2013 and Beyond

OH! IT HURTS!


"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#2385 2014-10-13 16:55:28

Kingston1an
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Re: Inane Overdrive-Brave New World Edition, 2013 and Beyond


"Florid, smug, middle-aged golf club bore in this country I'd say. Propping up the 19th hole in deepest Surrey bemoaning the perils of immigration."

 

#2386 2014-10-13 17:01:36

doghouse
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Re: Inane Overdrive-Brave New World Edition, 2013 and Beyond


Hide thy infants, hide thy Lady, and hide thy husband, alas they art forcing sexual intercourse upon the entire populace. - Wm Shakespeare

 

#2387 2014-10-13 19:55:31

TheExpandingMan
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#2388 2014-10-14 05:46:21

doghouse
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Re: Inane Overdrive-Brave New World Edition, 2013 and Beyond


Hide thy infants, hide thy Lady, and hide thy husband, alas they art forcing sexual intercourse upon the entire populace. - Wm Shakespeare

 

#2389 2014-10-14 06:12:51

Sammy Ambrose
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Re: Inane Overdrive-Brave New World Edition, 2013 and Beyond


If you aren't seeing through all three eyes at once day and night you are up shit creek without a paddle. The Shooman

 

#2390 2014-10-14 06:40:12

Popeye Doyle
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Re: Inane Overdrive-Brave New World Edition, 2013 and Beyond

I have a pair of grenadine double monks that are quite beautiful.  Does anyone know if they fit me?


"All in all they are a pretty sleazy bunch."
                                            --Cruiser
"Can one safely bone the cordovan of the dead?"
                                            --Quay

 

#2391 2014-10-14 06:43:45

Sammy Ambrose
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If you aren't seeing through all three eyes at once day and night you are up shit creek without a paddle. The Shooman

 

#2392 2014-10-14 06:51:58

doghouse
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Re: Inane Overdrive-Brave New World Edition, 2013 and Beyond

Reindeer Grenadine?


Hide thy infants, hide thy Lady, and hide thy husband, alas they art forcing sexual intercourse upon the entire populace. - Wm Shakespeare

 

#2393 2014-10-14 09:28:53

stanshall
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Re: Inane Overdrive-Brave New World Edition, 2013 and Beyond


"bow wow wow yippie yo yippie yay"

 

#2394 2014-10-14 18:09:20

TheExpandingMan
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#2395 2014-10-14 18:15:44

stanshall
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/\  nice work Expando!


"bow wow wow yippie yo yippie yay"

 

#2396 2014-10-14 18:16:04

doghouse
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Re: Inane Overdrive-Brave New World Edition, 2013 and Beyond

^ phenomenal.  Everyone generate a card by next Monday and it's game on.


Hide thy infants, hide thy Lady, and hide thy husband, alas they art forcing sexual intercourse upon the entire populace. - Wm Shakespeare

 

#2397 2014-10-15 02:05:38

adorable homunculus
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Re: Inane Overdrive-Brave New World Edition, 2013 and Beyond

Let us not neglect the ever golden:

'attempts to prove point with photo of Cary Grant'

'throws a hissy fit at the mere mention of notch lapel dinner jacket'

'upset at finding near invisible flaw in shoes sold as seconds'

'black suit prompts mention of waiter'

'disputes over the nature of a fondly imagined notion of gentlemanliness'

'wedding party plan to dress like slobs but I know better - how to tell them?'


We dont need any of the clothes we buy except as a means to be the star in the film of our life populated by constructs  - FNB

 

#2398 2014-10-15 08:05:06

Popeye Doyle
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Re: Inane Overdrive-Brave New World Edition, 2013 and Beyond

And...

Problem wearing good clothes with my fantastic physique

Problem wearing good clothes with my fantastic handgun

fitment

methinks

Last edited by Popeye Doyle (2014-10-15 08:06:39)


"All in all they are a pretty sleazy bunch."
                                            --Cruiser
"Can one safely bone the cordovan of the dead?"
                                            --Quay

 

#2399 2014-10-15 08:37:00

Dudley Clarke
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Re: Inane Overdrive-Brave New World Edition, 2013 and Beyond

How did you work out that I am a psychotherapist? Is it THAT obvious? C'mon!


I came up to see her sometimes.

 

#2400 2014-10-15 08:56:50

Sammy Ambrose
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Re: Inane Overdrive-Brave New World Edition, 2013 and Beyond


If you aren't seeing through all three eyes at once day and night you are up shit creek without a paddle. The Shooman

 
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