Some people have different tastes the worse thing to do would be to transcribe an idea everyone should be the same... Saying that extremes of taste don't bring about balance or a visual 'umami' that most people can recognize if they're open to these things

Some people like curves some people like angles and structure..depends on what they're after as inviduals for me a design should have a balance of both... Although I lean to curves

Also the idea that everything has to stand out is quite an ignorant one dullness invites excitement to be added..not everything can attention seeking in an outfit..saying that i dont think I like that cloth much either...but that's because I find blue a pit to cold to be put with a mid/dark grey but that's just my feeling on it..

in terms of combinations its important we have juxtaposition and that can include dull.. The importance of dullness and neutrality is the most difficult part of design to appricate

In no way are those lapels too narrow...theyre just narrow notice the distance they sit well on the golden mean..you could flip them so them.mean was reversed and they'd still be in proportion.. Again a matter of taste..narrow can be in proportion as so can be wide..its up to you what you like..

Soft tailoring to me reflects an the intrinsic appeal of curves I have.. It's no more than a preference if the proportions are correct they're correct if you play with that perfection becomes character.. And that's charming too..just ask the french

"The importance of dullness is the most difficult part of design to appricate"

You got that right.

Try H&M, you'll find something just as pleasing and you'll save yourself 200 sniffs.

I'd love to know whats "hand finished" on it.

Love this, hate RLP. You Ivy cats are one jar of messed up cookies.

I didn't realise that model has sold out already - seems like you know more about it than I do, but thanks for the background. The authentic production methods certainly excite me.

Btw old-fashioned is irrelevant to me rather than appealing. Dull? I'm ambivalent towards dull. Shapeless? Is it even possible to be shapeless? My earlier point was: do you and/or Forms consider most old school ivy jackets shapeless or just this attempt at a repro?

Fair enough. I'm not disputing your and Forms' opinions so much as trying to understand them and place them in context.

I think ultimately what it comes down to is Yuca and I are just better people.

Exactly... I'm glad youve come round to my point of view..

Not wishing to wade into the debate, but silhouette issues aside, the cloth does seem a tad bit too boring for my liking, I expected something a bit more rare. Ivy League style for today....that's the conundrum I suppose, how to maintain the traditional and yet be at the sartorial zeitgeist of the time.

I would like to see a dark navy blazer - that would be a good calling card to say they have arrived!

Annoyingly I think its only on the FB page and I can't link to it..