Nicely summed up Kingy, democracy will not work without an effective opposition and maybe we saw the start of that in Prime Minister’s questions today.

The Conservative party is liable to go the way of the Church of England, it’s natural support base is gradually dying off. The baby boomers and their offspring who have enjoyed stable employment, reasonable wages, good pensions and who have benefited from large increases in the value of their property are natural Tory voters. However they are being replaced by growing numbers of young people who find themselves starting out in an uncertain world like the one Bop is talking about; zero hours contracts, worsening pay and conditions, saddled with student loans and with little prospect of getting on the property ladder and enjoying the things their forbears took for granted – and they are angry. This is what Corbyn is tapping into.

Also you the fact you feel you need to dress like someone who probably earns 10 times the amount you do in order to eacape the fact you're covered in shit most days, doesn't really strike me as you being content with your job lot... maybe you are..but by the very fact you have to shove it up everyones nose makes me think otherwise...I think with all your expenditure you're trying to over compensate..

My brother owns an engineering company and we've talked about what there is..in his mind he has advised me against it and continue with what I currently do, which will probably see me moving next year, whether to the States to apply for my Green Card Im not sure yet..but London isnt going to be the place to start a family.

Anyway my point is even if you are carrying out a basic job you should not be at risk of being becoming homeless, jobless, due to contracts being so employer bias that you cant create any security for yourself..you should be able to eat a basic healthy diet.. I dont spend anything on luxuries everything goes on the basic cost of life I consider everything I buy and I save what I can to purchase the clothes I enjoy which fortunately are relatively cheap, I dont drink smoke or go out and thats serves me fine...

Last year when i first moved to London I did not eat more than one meal a day to afford travel and rent..Im not in that posistion now..but have you ever been in the posistion where you cant afford to eat a meal even though you are working 11 hours a day? I doubt it and thats the reality to a lot of people in this country which is why it doesnt really matter what hot air gets blown..the reality is felt by many, and a change will come.

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The countryside is good if you can get a job there Formby...which I do hope to at some point hence the move next year in order to start a family.

Soggs...you may want to go back and look at your posts over the last 5 years..

Like I said Im well aware why someone doing a well paid but ultimately god awful job might want to indulge themselves outside of it...but Im done with spending nearly a grand on sports jackets...ive been there done that...and as nice as it is its all an ego trip. When you go up Mayfair and people shopping in those stores like its Primark then you realise its a different world..and as much as you spend and think you're the dogs..you're not even on the same planet as these people..thats the truth of it...maybe when youve got the 200 grand car and the 7 million pound house..then it make sense to buy the 3 grand suits

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Good god, I've not done a grand on a sports coat. I can't believe your still bitter because I've had suits made in Italy and England. Whats the big deal? Is it because I'm having a pair of shoes made? Ego trip? Whats wrong with having nice stuff to wear? Sounds to me like you resent the fact that you don't have the option to do so from your posts. Don't hate me because I can old son.  I find it hard to believe that anyone who's spent nearly a grand on a coat hasn't spent a ton or more on a pair of trousers and I find it just as hard to believe anyone whos done that would be content with Primark trousers. I'm not filling any gaps in my life by spending what the fuck I want to out of my wages on clobber. I've a good job, my mortage is low, the kids are grown up and out the nest. I need decent clobber for my social life. I can't turn up at clubs in a pair of tennis pumps and lumberjack shirt. Are you a bit mental?

/\  cut it out or both of you are going to have your phones taken away and there will be no TV tonight and if you keep it up I'm giving away the football tickets so no game Saturday, it's your choice, and there's no use complaining to Mom either, she's with me on this one ... plus your room is a pigsty and I don't like the way you've been talking to your sister ....

Most people's stories dont begin like that...and some people dont even have the opportunity to have a decent education...its a played out arguement for why society should shit on those in less fortunate situations and why they've only themselves to blame. I know people in retirement now who are thick as shit and didnt even do their jobs very well...work their whole lives in the same job had the security to buy a house, etc etc...there is a generation of people now where that is just not an option

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Corbyn's mission is welfare as opium to feed the masses. It is no different to Marx's religion is the opium of the people. The promise is the same.

His position yesterday that there should be no limits to welfare payouts was quite revealing: all the landords must have been rubbing their hands in glee at the thought of the gravy train continuing of getting a bunch of dolites and junkies into their bedsits and charging the state an extortionate fee.