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#4176 2015-10-26 16:28:57

rmpmcdermott
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Re: Recent Old Ivy Finds


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#4177 2015-10-26 16:33:33

Oliver
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#4178 2015-10-26 16:35:05

Bop
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#4179 2015-10-26 16:36:05

Tomiskinky
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Great set of proofs there BOP, right up my street.

 

#4180 2015-10-26 16:36:55

Oliver
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Re: Recent Old Ivy Finds

Bop, how can you tell if a Pendletons been laundered?

I picked up a 50's size small recently that looked to be NOS superficially but it fit like it had shrunk an inch in the chest and armholes. Length was otherwise fine in sleeves and overall. I'm thinking it must've been washed at some point because it feels more restrictive than my other mid century Topsters. Don't people know that wool gets dry cleaned??

 

#4181 2015-10-26 16:41:52

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They go soft to touch and look bumpy and wrinkled...difficult to describe but the older ones feel light and have a crispness to the wool. The lapels kind of bubble up and dont sit right too

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#4182 2015-10-26 16:43:30

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#4183 2015-10-26 16:45:32

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#4184 2015-10-26 16:50:43

Oliver
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#4185 2015-10-26 22:37:35

Leer R.
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Oli, yours is early 70s I suppose. They added the Woolmark in 1968 if I remember that correctly. In the 80s I think the label changed. So 70s. Should have a look into that book I have...

P.S. not yours - the one you posted earlier, the deadstock one.

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#4186 2015-10-27 00:08:25

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#4187 2015-10-27 04:39:44

Acton_Baby
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Re: Recent Old Ivy Finds

Dating these is a minefield,
not helped by Pendleton themselves have lost a load of their archive material from pre 1972,
They were employing a full-time historian to try to put together a better archive as the concept of 'heritage' brands began to gain momentum, there's some great stuff in the Pendleton blog pages but this seems to have fallen by the wayside recently with the blog now devoted to new Pendleton stuff .

Oli, the card with that Topster dates it between 74-88 and that specific plaid is late 70s/early 80s, the use of a 'decorative' P in Pendleton adds weight to this.
The mid-90s reissues have a reproduction of the same card but the P of the sewn-in label is the same as the current Pendleton label.
The last Topster/Topsman re-issue was in 2012 ( the Topster was described as 'fitted', actually a copy of an early 80s model )
http://www.backcountry.com/pendleton-fitted-topster-jacket-mens

Using the woolmark to date Topsters and Topsman isn't 100% reliable,
Pendleton started using it soon after it was introduced in about 1965 but not through their entire range straight away,
I've seen two NOS Topsters in different plaids from the same delivery in 1967 (including delivery note and point-of-sale material) one with and one without the woolmark on the label, tho' both had a woolmark on a cardboard label.

I also have a very early Topsman that has a separate woolmark label sewn into the yoke underneath the Pendleton label.

The 'seagull of death' collar Topster was still available to order until the mid 60s and some of these these have a woolmark on the label,
the 's-o-d' or 'shirt collar' style Topster then moved over to the Pendleton Westernwear  label (white label and burgundy text)  in 67/68 but didn't last long in the range (it's definitely not in the 1970 product list/catalogue).


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#4188 2015-10-27 07:01:31

Joey
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Re: Recent Old Ivy Finds

For reference of people who haven't seen it, here's the "Big Thread of Pendleton":
http://forums.filmnoirbuff.com/viewtopic.php?id=18086

It's mostly just me pontificating but others have shared some great photos and vintage ads.

 

#4189 2015-10-27 07:45:41

Oliver
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Great stuff Acton and Leer; thanks for all the info! I knew that deadstock number on EBay had to be 70s/80s from the fonts, graphics and style on the tag. Makes sense about the latter cut of Topsters which fit tighter under the arms; I suppose that explains the anove I recently purchased with the swelled edges. I'm glad I own it now if for nothing ekse, then to compare chest measurements with other vintage Pendletons to avoid in future.

 

#4190 2015-10-27 08:21:22

Bop
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#4191 2015-10-27 08:41:22

Leer R.
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#4192 2015-10-27 09:09:01

Bop
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I think Ive seen that...well it appears from Acton's work we might never be sure how to date these things excatly.

 

#4193 2015-10-27 10:16:08

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Re: Recent Old Ivy Finds

The more I've dug into Pendleton stuff the more confusing it gets.

There were even regional/store specific variations, usually 'double tagged' with a Pendleton label and a second store specific label,
the most collectible of these being products for the Disneyland 'Frontier Store' ,
it's range featured some exclusive plaids and 'oddities' like a Topster with pattern matched pockets rather than regular 'bias' style.

Here's a link to some archive Pendleton labels
http://vintagefashionguild.org/label-resource/pendleton/


"I have about 100 pairs of pyjamas. I like to see people dressed comfortably."
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#4194 2015-10-27 15:57:39

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#4195 2015-10-27 16:21:37

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Re: Recent Old Ivy Finds

What the....???!!!


"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#4196 2015-10-27 17:34:41

Bop
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I've seen a ladies one like that before but not a mens..???

 

#4197 2015-10-27 18:49:24

Joey
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I've seen a few of those before in my travels. Feels like something is missing, but I can't put my finger on what.

 

#4198 2015-10-27 19:11:31

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John, Paul, George, and The Ringo Kid ....


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#4199 2015-10-28 09:01:15

Oliver
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#4200 2015-10-28 09:29:39

Armchaired
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Was it from E Bay Oli ?


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