LOL!
And how 'intrepid' is such a man?
Bless him.

And why the 'Gay' fury?

It was all so random - I could have posted on anything I think... racism, women-hating, anti-semitism... anything...

Such thin skins...

WHY?

Miles

Last edited by Miles Away (2006-05-13 09:16:50)

Valid point,  Harmut -
'Russell' was a 'troll', I wanted to shake things up with his input.
And to 'rouse the rabble'?  CERTAINLY!
And who would take on such a role but an egotist?
I am however, not really 'Russell Street' - He was an invention, and if I am an egotist sometimes I am quite a humble one who also laughs at himself rather a lot.
Not perfect, but I get by.

M.

This must be one of most ridiculous message thread I have read.  If "Miles Away" is a representative for a New Trad, why would a person wish to be part of this?

Last edited by Marc Grayson (2006-05-14 21:20:13)

Actually, I dont see Miles as the "new trad", his definition is closer to the authentic late 50s ivy/trad than most other interpretations we see of it.  The "new trad" is getting inspired by images from the new Ralph Lauren/J Crew (insert any other such 'trad' brand) catalog rather than images of actual ivy style from its heyday.  When "trad" became a buzzword on the various forae, I knew what they meant and where it was coming from, but it wasn't the ivy style that I was familiar with.   Nice to see that it's finally getting its due recognition here.

*I can empathize with Miles' reaction since if one believes in an aesthetic strongly, whether visual/musical/whatever, then it's up to the participants of said aesthetic to "police" itself and point out/weed out incongruous deviances otherwise it just loses its original panache and becomes a stale caricature of what it used to be.

Last edited by Get Smart (2006-05-15 08:50:29)

Ahhhhhhhhh - Horace!

One of my 'Russell' trolls was to have been 'From the Docks to the Docs'...
I just had too much respect for the forum concerned to let it loose...

But that's just me - tasteful.

Miles

And very good to see 'Get Smart' here! Why is everyone smarter than me?

Hi Chris, yes matter of fact I post occasionally on modculture.  It's nice to see modernists strive for the authentic ivy look rather than a dated "vintage-austinpowers-swirly-wannabe" look that seems to be prevalent among that scene.

I remember reading from some of the folk on there (modculture) about Brooks Brothers finally opening a flagship store in London and it seemed the general consensus was disappointment.  Having been into a BB throughout the years, it's too bad that they've really gone sour on their products.  I can find similar gear that I like much better at a store like Facconable than BB.  (speaking of Facconable, I don't know if anyone remember some of their adverts from last year showing a well dressed young guy and an equally attractive gal on a vespa....definitely caught my eye with what I gather is a new direction to appeal to a younger minded demographic)

Hello Ted,


Perhaps the jazz musicians were wearing the ivy league style to make an ironic statement. More likely they were wearing it because it was the current mainstream style back then. Don't forget we are talking about a long time ago. Here in the UK we stuck with the 1960's ivy league version whereas in the US the syle developed into what is now called trad. I've lifted a piece I wrote in an earlier thread:

In the UK I think Ivy League has always been mainly a London thing. 

In the late 1950's and early 1960's there were one or two West End shops that sold Ivy league stlye clothing. The main customers for this style were the 'Modernists'. The Modernists, who were the forerunners of the mods, followed modern jazz players like Miles Davis, Gerry Mulligan and Chet Baker and wanted to dress in the same manner. One of the best shops was Austin in Shaftesbury Ave near Piccadilly, they stocked Bass, Sero, Hathaway, Arrow, Gant and many more US-made items.

I hope this helps a bit.
Chris

Last edited by Chris_H (2006-05-16 07:38:17)

Has anyone here, traveled to Hobokon, NJ?

I think this is an administration base, for the Andy trads.

Last edited by Vaclav (2006-05-16 09:19:19)