The point is, Brown & His Gang, did nothing for the native working classes, but everything for the banking classes. They were an enemy of the working classes and this mob is no better, but thankfully not in power.

There is no shame in a promoting a meritocracy were talent of all classes can get ahead and a social contract, compared to the rule of the socialist intelligentsia who feed off the moral righteousness of representing the down trodden. The symbiotic relationship is that they need you poor, needy and sucking off the tit of welfare and the largasse granted from the state. They believe in an immaculate elite and guess what, we're not in it!

The Tories won the last election as the only credible party, they were the only party with a desire to address the North South divide and turn the North into an industrial powerhouse again. Whether they can deliver on this, is still to be seen, but Labour in it's heartlands had no such policy, wrapped-up with the condescending and romantic world view of the metropolitian champagne socialists who would crap their pants if they ever went north of the Watford Gap.

Labour's death rattle is heard across the land from the gangs who were left to exploit and rape underage girls with impunity in the Labour wards, from the loss of Scotland to the SNP to the appointment of this shell suited professional protest marcher whose notable career highlight prior to be electing leader of Her Majesty's Opposition was giving an on the run IRA gunman a couple of quid when he visited his branch constituency. Compared to some of the Left of the 80s he is a political and intellectual pygmy, where are his books, his essays of critical thinking and anti-fascist credentials? Nowhere to be seen, he hasn't got any.

He has a shell suit though.

Edit: And the point I was making about the piece in the newspaper, is that it was likely PR stunt by Labour, pretending Brown and his entourage were Mother Theresa to the working classes. The copy was narcissist, sycophantic and instead of doffing his hat to the mill owner, the gentleman was doffing his hat and grovelling to Brown and this MP. It was revealing in that it showed that Labour needs the working class as caricatures out of Dickensian and dark satanic mills and preferably on bread and lard to exist. At least this version of the Labour party.

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It will be interesting to see if the Labour rebels stand their ground or succumb to the weight of Corbyn's well rounded argument to not bomb ISIS: "You will be killing babies! There will be no place left for you to hide if you vote against the party line!" One wonders if he has engaged ISIS himself to seek out and destroy these rebellious Labour MP's.

There can be no confidence, optimism or joy when you're a shell suited chap with the portly witchfinder general covering your back. Corbyn probably feels he too could be the next celebrity to be accused.

Indeed there was a lot of optimism back in 97 it was almost like a rerun of the swinging sixties, but to be fair, back then Labour had just stormed into power on the Britpop ticket, now they're out of power and looking to be elected on the vegan-terrorist supporting-I march therefore I am-holier than thou-usual anti-western polemic-crony positions for your ex-common purpose-Islington 1970s mews dweller-let's create a new Venezuela-shell suits for all-vote! Somehow it doesn't have the same swing to it.

Let's be honest now, these Labourites are a miserable lot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjPhzgxe3L0

Proxy war anyone?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq-Syria_pipeline

Proxy war maybe?

Er, what about proxy war definitely. This isn't a religious standoff this is who gets the spoils of the Middle East. The urbane racists amongst us love to beat that drum because it feeds their fire and ideology..but really it's got nothing to do with it. Religion in the Middle East is the front to politics. And the term Islam too broad a brush to paint with.

This is Russia vs the West ie Nato...with all the bit players that give us appearingly proper reasons to be bombing a strategic piece of the puzzle which sees a Russian friendly government get replaced.

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Those that stand for IS believe that all Muslims will rise up and defeat non-believers. Bombing Syria will only enhance their belief. The biggest defeat for IS were the thousands of Muslim refugees that fled to secular Europe. The people that fled were between a rock and a hard place. IS or Assad? Syria has cried out for help a long time before IS came along and the West did nothing to depose Assad. We're lucky this situ didn't arise in Egypt sometime ago as well. Only when their despot was over thrown did the West denounce him. We really need to start thinking about these issues more with regards to human rights in these countries and our trade policies with them. Not just in arms but all manner of trade. In many ways we are making the ground for IS and other terror groups. Its only when these groups attack us that we talk about deposing them. Its too little, too late in a dirty game. The UK and many others need to clean their act up IMHO.

We are now in a very tricky place. IS need to be removed as does Assad. Its really about what can be done for the Syrian people that matters. Corbyn lacks the will to bomb, I tend to agree with him. However I think Corbyn lacks the will to stop trading with despots in general. In fact I get the feeling he'd be quite happy to support a number of despots and groups...Hamas, Putin, Iran to name three. Cameron as far as I'm bothered has been a complete prick on the issue. He should be writing for the Sun, not leading a nation.

^ exactly Chevere, after all why rely on facts when there's the option of a conspiracy theory?

I don't care how accurate the missiles are - the threat is to be eliminated. The mandate has been given by the UN, what are you waiting for?

We must, if we are to win against this fascism, have the strength and courage to take the rational decision to eliminate lives now to save hundreds of thousands and millions in the future. The moral argument against strategic vs tactical bombing means nothing if your failure to act means your children and their children will be sex slaves, killed or live beneath the yoke of Dark Age slavery for eternity.

This is not about rebuilding, or regime change, there is no mandate for that, but about destroying ISIS. By any means necessary. Kill them all and run hot pursuit operations into our cities and communities where they fester with their cancerous cud.

Albert Speer commented that had six or seven more intense raids taken place at the height of Bomber Harris's strategic area bombing campaign, Germany would have capitulated. And Japan, ultimately extremely successful. Epic failures too: Vietnam and Laos.

It's not about killing the population, but engaging them to rise up against their oppressors. I admit, under the fascist yoke of Islamo-fascism it is likely a remote possibility.

In any event, Corbyn has shown himself to be an utterly contemptible spineless coward: he failed to force a three line whip on the one issue that he was so devoutly and utterly engaged in. Instead, he enlisted the bully boys of the hard Left to threaten those dissenters into towing the party line.

The morbidly comic thing about this whole fracas is that we have a declared enemy- Islamism- that we refuse to recognize exists, so they throw a snit and kill a few of us to show they mean it.
To prove we don't really take their acting out seriously we give them the wherewithal to obtain the deadliest bomb.

This is the new and improved Politically Correct farce of The Black Night in Monty Python's Holy Grail where the west is the Black Knight that refuses to fight, lets everybody pass, and after every attack nonchalantly declares "'tis but a flesh wound, but don't get me wrong, I like you fellas!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4

I am glad the Black Knight has taken the huge step of arguing bitterly for several days before deciding to fart in the general direction of ISIS. From a distance of course, lest the boots get in the muck. After all, appearance is important.

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