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#1 2007-10-27 11:37:32
- Gomez
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Neo-Trads.
have we already witnessed the advent of the second generation of tradism? i don't meant second of course in human generations, but in the sense of computer games or internet memes or website design. perhaps it is something we can see in the original american/trad thread, like the observation of rings in a severed tree-trunk. thoughts, gentlepersons?
#2 2007-10-28 02:05:40
- Jack_The_Lad
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Re: Neo-Trads.
I wonder if this is my nebulous 'Phase Two' idea starting to kick in?
The American Trad thread laid the foundations of Trad. All that Trad was to be could be seen there first: Neo-con, aspirational, lisfestylist, RL-ish.
Hard to sustain that for too long, especially with the dogs always barking at the heels of the fledgling movement.
I think second generation Trads will be smarter (evolution, no?). The first generation Trads will still be there, but I think they'll sharpen up too in the process.
The fantasy element will still be there to sell the style & bring in the all-important newbies, but I think it will be down-played as time goes on and there will be more of a focus on Trad as a style of dress and not so much of the clothes being viewed as the outward visable manifestation of a state of grace.
That's my hope anyway. We shall see.
j.
"I like a bit of a cavort..."
#3 2007-10-28 05:05:10
- Jack_The_Lad
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Re: Neo-Trads.
ENOUGH PMs!!
Yes, I know it could all just as easily go the other way & Trad will get worse & not better.
But we have to keep cheerful don't we & hope for the best?
j.
(Time I wasn't sober...)
"I like a bit of a cavort..."
#4 2007-10-28 11:11:25
- Tony Ventresca
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Re: Neo-Trads.
Let us contact Microsnot, and get them to code an X-Box game.
Fit the sack suit on the tradman, & tie on a bow for extra points.
Too gay?
Hmm....
TV
#5 2007-10-28 12:38:22
- Gomez
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Re: Neo-Trads.
yes, it can be called Microsoft Stockholm Syndrome 1.0
#7 2007-11-01 13:46:49
- Speas
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Re: Neo-Trads.
The problem with Trad (Ivy, NeoIvy, pseudoIvy, whatever) advancing seems to be that the conservative aspects of the style have been absorbed into mainstream American style. Without the GTH aspects, little would be viewed as being anything other than regular-guy American - navy blazers, loafers, polo shirts, khakis, boat shoes, striped tie, etc. Those who have an eye for clothing may notice the 3/2 sack or natural shoulders, but as a distinct style it is indistinguishable for the average joe except as for GTH caricature that some hate and some abuse. Perhaps if mainstream menwear continues to move away from Ivy this wont be the case, but I doubt it. I think that Trad as a style is destined to be the current Preppy-GTH going forward for the conscious adopters and American "Traditional" (darted BB, Hickey Freeman, Lands End, etc) for the disinterested.
#13 2007-11-06 07:50:27
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Re: Neo-Trads.
i am a neo-trad
i wear a platinum grill, and four finger ring, with my seersucker
i wear air force one's and retro jordans, with my brooks brothers
i wear an iced out chain with my navy j. press suit
i wear an Incontinence pants track jacket over my andover shetland s
Cheers.
#15 2007-11-06 13:12:54
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Re: Neo-Trads.
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#16 2007-11-07 02:35:14
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Re: Neo-Trads.
""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.
#18 2007-11-07 15:36:31
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Re: Neo-Trads.
""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.
#23 2007-11-08 09:53:45
- Tony Ventresca
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Re: Neo-Trads.
...and yet...
...and yet, I am sure many people just wore the clothes because it was fashionable at the time. Without any real awareness of any "elite" connotations, or perceptions, that may have operated in certain regions or social strata. Or maybe simply because the clothing was sold in the local store, and people did not 'range' as far in the old days.
TV
#25 2007-11-08 11:59:20
- Jack_The_Lad
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Re: Neo-Trads.
I welcome it all but still think that it was a great big muddled-up mix.
Who really knows what people's motivations were?
For some for sure ideas of 'the elite' would have been on their minds...
But for everyone?
Surely not.
All I am am sure of is that we can't be sure, and so we shouldn't say that Ivy equalled 'elite' for everybody.
... But the marketing of the style was always ivy-clad and wood-panelled as far as I can see. That I will grant you.
The danger with any sort of 'That's what it's all about' theory is that you start to limit things. It's a bit like saying that the Civil War was all about slavery - It gives you an easy answer but it robs you of all the interesting sidelines that go to make up the total picture.
I think it's kinda lazy too & far too simple just to see a tweed jacket & automatically link it to it's obvious meaning.
Life in my experience is always much more interesting than that.
No?
j.
"I like a bit of a cavort..."