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#1 2007-11-10 07:19:55

Marc Grayson
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Slobs Give Americans A Bad Name Abroad

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/columnists/bernard_fernandez/20070121_inq_travel_TR1DRESS.html


"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#2 2007-11-10 07:35:34

rsmeyer
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Re: Slobs Give Americans A Bad Name Abroad

Well said.

 

#3 2007-11-10 09:55:41

Gomez
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#4 2007-11-10 10:03:11

Voltaire's Bastard
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Re: Slobs Give Americans A Bad Name Abroad

"Nobody says you have to dress like Cary Grant and Audrey Hepburn to visit museums, cathedrals and historic neighborhoods."

Perhaps someone should.


“You know that saying, 'Caesar's wife is above suspicion'? Well I put an end to all that rubbish!"..”

 

#5 2007-11-12 14:47:26

BonVivant
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Re: Slobs Give Americans A Bad Name Abroad

The New York times had a similar article entitled, "The slobification of America."  When I was living in France, it was always easy to tell who was American because they were dressed horribly.  It always made me feel ashamed to be American.  http://www.savoirvivreny.com/2007/09/slobification-of-america.html

 

#6 2007-11-12 20:56:35

Film Noir Buff
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Re: Slobs Give Americans A Bad Name Abroad

Americans are also now policing people who dare to dress nicely. Apparently, slobbery loves company.

 

#7 2007-11-13 01:14:46

Jack_The_Lad
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Re: Slobs Give Americans A Bad Name Abroad

There is a very nice kind of semi-slobby American which I rather like: Good clothes worn carelessly, that kind of thing.
Their slobbishness only extends to the way they wear what they wear, not the articles of clothing themselves I should add.
I always see them as looking very relaxed & self-confident.
Down at heel, rumpled, messy, yet somehow very stylish.
You see them mainly in bookshops abroad.

Probably they're only 'slobby' to European eyes?


"I like a bit of a cavort..."

 

#8 2007-11-13 05:04:27

Twin Six
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Re: Slobs Give Americans A Bad Name Abroad

I see a lot of Aussies in Japan, and they're every bit as bad.

 

#9 2007-11-13 15:09:23

Jerrysfriend
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#10 2007-11-13 15:36:34

Horace
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""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.

 

#11 2007-11-13 19:15:58

Jerrysfriend
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Re: Slobs Give Americans A Bad Name Abroad

I am not anti-American, but when in Paris, I have to overcome the fact that so many Americans dress so terribly and behave so badly (loud and totally unknowledgeable about French dining customs and traditions) in restaurants. Therefore, when I have hotel concierges call for a reservation, I have started telling them to take note of the way we always dress. I also say that my wife are very quiet and knowledgble diners. I ask them to relay that information to the maitre di and to request a nice, quiet table for us. They catch on most of the time and we get good treatment.

Last edited by Jerrysfriend (2007-11-13 19:17:08)

 

#12 2007-11-13 20:18:46

Sam Hober
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Re: Slobs Give Americans A Bad Name Abroad

I was in a government office taking care of some visa paperwork in the Thai countryside last month and I wore a tie and dress shirt and the officer that was helping me was very polite and took care of everything for me very quickly.

Looking around I saw many Europeans dressed in t-shirts and jeans with not a tie in site.

These expats often complain about the Thai government but I now see that they are out-of-touch with basic politeness. In Thailand even more than in the western world dressing well counts.

Many people love to bash Molloy's book on clothes - and he got many things wrong - but he was correct in formally understanding the effect of clothes on business. IBM in the old days knew what they were doing....


David Hober
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www.samhober.com

 

#13 2007-11-13 22:10:22

Horace
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Re: Slobs Give Americans A Bad Name Abroad


""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.

 

#14 2007-11-14 08:03:29

Coolidge
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Re: Slobs Give Americans A Bad Name Abroad

We did a trip to Spain in high school.  The others wanted to go to a club. I'm not much of a club guy, but I had to get us in because I was the only person not wearing sneakers, jeans, or a t-shirt, so I ended up standing in front and being appraised.  With some reluctance they let my classmates in.  Even in a somewhat skanky club, we were still the worst dressed of the lot.

Not that many of the Europeans who were over here and went to college with me were particularly well dressed, in all fairness.  But maybe one could say, they saw what (little) was expected of them and tried to fit in, whereas some of us going over there do not extend the same courtesy.

 

#15 2007-11-14 08:17:39

Jack_The_Lad
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"I like a bit of a cavort..."

 

#16 2007-11-14 08:30:01

Jack_The_Lad
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Re: Slobs Give Americans A Bad Name Abroad


"I like a bit of a cavort..."

 

#17 2007-11-14 09:13:49

Tony Ventresca
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Re: Slobs Give Americans A Bad Name Abroad

Europeans, when they come to America look like slobs too.
None of the fancy suits & shirts, that have been posted on the 'fora'.

...or maybe they get no further than New York City.

 

#18 2007-11-14 09:23:38

Marc Grayson
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Re: Slobs Give Americans A Bad Name Abroad

Last edited by Marc Grayson (2007-11-14 09:24:14)


"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#19 2007-11-16 23:20:19

Horace
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Re: Slobs Give Americans A Bad Name Abroad


""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.

 

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