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#1 2007-11-25 11:06:42

shuman
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Boycotting Third World Manufacture?

Recently I have become disappointed with purchases of items which turn out to be made in China, Hong Kong, Malaysia, the Philipines, etc.

As I have gotten older, and understood (or cared) about the quality difference, I have decided to refrain from purchasing anything made in any of these third world countries. I will purchase items made in US, UK, Italy, etc.

I am not doing this purely for patriotic reasons, but for quality issues. My recent purchases from RL, Lands End, LLBean etc. have left me dissappointed in fabric quality, buttons, fit and durability. (Comparison of old RL products made in US, vs modern made in Hong Kong items reveal major differences in fit, fabric quality, and buttons.) Not to slam RL, as he is only doing what most others are doing. They say its to keep costs down. That only applies if you still want hugely inflated profit margins.

The only way these companies will learn is if we prove it with our money we spend. I am only one person, but its gotta start somewhere.

In the future, OCBD from Brooks, Shetland crewnecks from BB, khakis from Bills, etc. I recently purchased some merino wool OTC socks from JAB and they are made in USA. Probably the only thing in the store! These  choices will have to suffice until I am aware of quality alternatives.

Am i being unrealistic in attempting to do this?

I would appreciate hearing about other choices, as living in the midwest United States makes big city shopping difficult. Thank goodness for the internet.

 

#2 2007-11-25 11:12:31

Jack_The_Lad
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Re: Boycotting Third World Manufacture?

I too miss American clothes being 'USA made'.
It added to their desirablility for me.
Made them seem more like the real deal.


"I like a bit of a cavort..."

 

#3 2007-11-25 11:26:25

Marc Grayson
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http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html


"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#4 2007-11-25 11:36:16

Marc Grayson
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"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#5 2007-11-25 13:33:14

shuman
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I am trying to be realistic enough to realize that not everything is going to have a Made in America source. BB shetland crewneck sweaters are made in Scotland last I checked. Andover and Press have theirs made in the same country, I beleive.

For me, it is not as much a patriotic duty, as it is about quality and teaching these companies, through how we spend our hard earned money, that we will not accept outsourcing to China, etc. in order to "keep prices low". Its the Wal Mart mentality.

People are only concerned with price, so they look for the cheapest item. Then they complain when it falls apart. I would rather spend more up front, but have something that will last me 20-30 years. Its cheaper in the long run, plus it allows me to support small businesses, oftentimes owned by locals. Mercer, Bills, Quoddy, come to mind. If we buy enough of the BB Made in USA shirts, they will see the relationship (hopefully) and expand that product offering.

I keep saying its not about being patriotic, but its sounding an awful lot like patriotism to me. I dont mind buying things made in the UK or Scotland, for example. Sweaters are often knit in the European areas, and the quality in most cases is good. One can feel the difference between a sweater made in China from Lands End, and one made in Scotland from Brooks. The fabric is more substantial, for one. Fit is more consistent. I am sure you can find junk made in the UK, or Italy for that matter, but more often than not, you will be pleased. More so than with China, etc.

 

#6 2007-11-25 16:19:02

Tony Ventresca
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#7 2007-11-25 19:12:51

jsprowls9
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Re: Boycotting Third World Manufacture?

To Tony's points:

Stuff made "over there" is only exactly the same as it was when it was made "over here":

-underskilled patternmakers are used because cost-containment requirements don't support experienced ones (i.e. churn out a CAD block w/out testing and sewing prototype garments)

-the inputs used are of low quality because the sponsor of the jobs insists upon it (another cost-containment practice)

-sewing with long stitches is not due to speed or lack of knowledge; but, again, cost-containment on the part of the sponsor (i.e. long stitches = less thread consumed)

Apparel is a commodity industry. It always has been and always will be. Quality (as is sizing) is difficult to nail down because Consumers cannot normalize. For the brands who try to be everything to everyone, these foibles are readily apparent in their product lines.

Personally, I'm a fan of regional niche manufacturers. Mostly because I am one. But, that aside, regional mfg focus on smaller markets and are specialized. Instead of chasing after labels (e.g. mine, Calvin's, whoever's), I highly encourage shopping local retailers known for carrying regional lines. Regional mfg are more responsive to the consumer base and have much more specialized fitting data. Frequently, the cost for the lesser-known, higher-quality mdse is only marginally different from big-box brands with questionable manufacturing practices.

 

#8 2007-11-25 19:46:59

Gomez
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#9 2007-11-25 20:10:18

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#10 2007-11-25 20:21:56

Gomez
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judging how most people dress, i hope they are paying more  attention to their dishwasher soap., just for the sake of hygiene.

 

#11 2007-11-26 09:21:11

Tony Ventresca
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#12 2007-11-26 11:27:05

Coolidge
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It is important to remember there are two economic trends going on, at least in my view:

1. Increased tendency towards outsourcing
2. Increased peddling of absolute, worthless, poorly made shit

The two CAN be mutually exclusive


I think stuff, generally, is being more cheaply made everywhere, clothes or not.  If it falls under mass produced, then origin probably makes no difference...specifications and quality control are what do.

Example 1 (shoes) : The Weejun is not as well made as it used to be. I think this is less because it is now made in what, Honduras?, instead of Wilton, Maine, and more because Phillips Van Heusen, which owns Bass, has provided the Honduran workers with the crappy shiny plasticky leather of which Weejuns are now made.  I'm sure the Hondurans could do a bang-up job if they got the same materials to work with that Wiltonians did in the 80s and before.

Example 2 (cars): A few days ago my old-school Detroit Cadillac needed some repairs so I rented a car for two days. It was a Nissan, which I believe is made either in plants here or in Japan, both countries which most people must admit have skilled workers and who we generally feel "good" about making our stuff.  So this Nissan was faster and got better mileage but man, was the inside ever made of cheap shit.  Everything is plastic that it seems like it would be easy to break.  Even the pull out handles you use to open the doors.  The Cadillac's are solid steel.  The hooks for hanging coats in the Nissan are wafer thin little plastic hooks, attached to the hand grips on the ceiling.  The Cadillac's are, again, steel, 4X as thick with room for more hangers and actually bolted into the roof.   

Example 3 (furniture): Most of the furniture in my apartment dates from the 1950s or earlier (mostly 1920s-40s).  All of it is still in great shape.  Sure, there are some scratches on some things, some imperfections.  But mostly it is solid and good looking, and with dusting and and the occasional refinishing job every few decades, will continue to be so.  By contrast, the one new item I have is one of those ergonomic desk chairs.  Everything on it is made of plastic. It is just a little over two years old, and 3 months ago the back part of it broke off while I was sitting in it.  Note, I'm not fat nor do I throw myself into said chair.  It is functional only because I duct-taped the back part on again, and am too cheap to buy another desk chair at the moment.  Underneath, it says it was "Made In USA"



Conclusion: Quality is going downhill on most consumer goods, no matter where they are made.



Now, I'll admit, it makes me FEEL better to buy American and English stuff but that's another story. I'm a protectionist at heart.  I feel sorry for the Wilton, ME plantworkers who lost their jobs, and out of loyalty to Americans, call it outdated nationalism or racism if you want, I don't care, I would buy the Wilton shoes before I bought the Hondurans.  But I'm not prepared to say the Hondurans do a worse job making shoes than the folks from Wilton ME, if the materials they work with are shitty to begin with.    Quality has nothing to do with the feelings of nationalism.

Ideally everything would be good quality, and made here.  Most often, we have to accept bad quality AND not made here.

 

#13 2007-11-26 14:52:13

Fogey
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Tip-top post, Mr Coolidge. Indeed, quality everywhere is sliding down a butter-lubricated pole. Not only shit, as you mentioned, but also manners, prime ministers, and presidents.

 

#14 2007-11-26 23:05:00

Horace
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""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.

 

#15 2007-11-26 23:08:01

Horace
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""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.

 

#16 2007-11-27 07:42:42

Tony Ventresca
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#17 2007-11-27 08:16:24

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#18 2007-11-27 10:31:30

Tony Ventresca
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#19 2007-12-07 07:24:21

Tony Ventresca
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#20 2007-12-07 14:08:47

Skink
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Boycotting slavery-made products is the right thing to do. But, fear not: the dusk of petro-industrial society is just around the bend.


Think like a man of action, and act like a man of thought.

 

#21 2007-12-08 09:38:49

The_Shooman
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#22 2007-12-08 10:47:00

Tony Ventresca
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^ Shame that. Eventually the western nations will be just like everyone else. We will be poorer, and they will be richer. Somewhere in the middle we'll meet. But they will be only slighter richer, and we will be much, much poorer.

 

#23 2007-12-08 10:50:12

The_Shooman
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