I've wondered, on occasion, and especially given some of the apparent conflicts
between commerce and editorial control on various forums, what's at stake with
it all?
Are the participants of these forums really a viable market? What's "our" demographic?
I can see a small operation like Carlo Franco benefitting from some of these boards.
(His stuff ain't to my taste, but a lot of others really like it).
What percentage though of sales can be attributed to word-of-mouth on the message boards
and what percentage to the participation of the owners or employees of these clothing businesses?
How much does Vass owe to the medium? What of Il Pagliacci? What of a Turnbull & Asser?
What of a Brooks? What of a J. Press? Certainly it would seem that some of the smaller trad
shops have gotten _some_ business from those who were unaware of them previously. Places
like Eljo's and O'Connells and the like. Bennie's shoes probably benefitted quite a bit from the
initial posts by Pollock and the subsequent to-do about Grensons, etc.
Just an open ended question if anyone cares to consider it.
I'd say most artisans benefit from some exposure and good reviews on clothing forums. The only exception I can think of is a certain clown. Despite he's been rubbishing all other makers, AFAIK he has absolutely no one who posts regularly on the internet ever bothered to enquire about his stuff, let alone contemplate buying.
Some Hong Kong suitmaking and shirtmaking firms have seen marginal increases in sales
as a result of discussion on these fora. These firms haven't actually solicited
this "extra business" however. Whether additional sales as a result of the fora add to their
bottom line in any way is probably insignificant.
Last edited by Ed (2006-04-29 10:10:18)
Marc
I must disagree with you, on the effects of the boards.
My business has benifited greatly. I would also assume that MR. Ned, LS and Paris shirt and even Raphael have also seen new customers.
I am amazed at how many find the MB by accident. they read, lurk and learn. They do not post.
Most tailors/shirtmakers do very little advertising.
Word of mouth, or editorial press are the best way of getting new customers. The MB do both.
How many times have you been next to a very well dressed gentleman and was curious about what they were wearing. Some people are quite comfortable asking a stranger about their clothes.
Carl
www.cego
Well, we can certainly say Vass has received attention. In one way or another.
I agree with Marc that financial benefit from forum exposure decreases rapidly as one moves upmarket. While I concede that I first learned about my shirtmaker, Sig. Siviglia, from Marc's posts at AAAC, I am a rare exception. Business derived from internet forums represents like %1 of his turnover. I am sure Raphael would say the same thing. In contrast, being at a much lower market category, Jantzen's business skyrocketed after becoming one of the main topics of discussion in some of the clothing forums.
Last edited by Incroyable (2006-05-03 01:30:19)
I suppose for the insiders, or owners, a men's clothing internet message board could be quite lucrative, for getting at-cost items and freebies. For the schmo's who advertise much less so, and like Chuck & others it is like a double edged sword wielded by a hyperactive child.
Last edited by The_Shooman (2007-12-05 08:38:03)
Sound comments on Trad.
Last edited by Marc Grayson (2008-01-15 13:30:37)
Clothing forums are a special interest group which certainly can financially help some businesses.
When I was a boy and my father was running Mark Hober and later David Hober the family womens clothing businesses we would often get coverage in fashion magazines.
I recently asked my father how much business the media coverage generated and he could not say, as a buyer might see something he liked and show up in our New York showroom six months later. Granted we were a wholesale business which made it harder to track this type of marketing results.
While I certainly get emails with comments like " I read many good things about you on XYZ forum", in many ways the more important results are softer and more subjective and also harder to measure.
For example I am a member of the Film Noir Buff forum not for the witty posts but for the simple and personal reason that Film Noir Buff has been very kind to me starting with his early posts to me on Ask Andy where he made design suggestions for pocket squares based on classic movies.
Other gentlemen such as Will also been kind to me and have made many suggestions about fabrics and designs.
Horace has uncovered some historical gems about Brooks Brothers.
A mystery man has helped with our Trad Special designs. I would like to say who this gentlemen is but I cannot as he is a client and we never post names of clients unless they first mention being clients.
Many forum members have become friends with the majority not being clients.
So in the end forum participation has been profitable but not always in terms of dollars.