No knocking. I simply didn't go there. Knew plenty who did, though. I also knew a couple of lads who spun off into that early DMR look: more interesting than a parka and badges. But was it mostly a construct based upon that terrible film? (Doesn't Toyah look attractive, though, nowadays?) Weller and The Jam were around by 1977, though, weren't they? But more Kinks/Small Faces influenced? How quickly was some of the look absorbed into two-tone? Another look, creeping in around 1979, was the Kid Creole thing, yes?
One chap I was very friendly with - resident now, I think, in Hackney - eschewed it all and went slightly Cramps/rockabilly. Last saw him (on 'YouTube') wearing a rather nice plain grey sweatshirt. Grey-haired, too.
But how was it 'mod' - like 'punk' - turned into a uniform?
No it wasn't just based on the film. People like Randy Couzens and the 6Ts movement were far deeper than the revival. People like Steve Diggle in Buzzcocks had been/were still Mods at heart and the post Punk direction had enough range.
If the forum is back in full, then threads like this and cooking should broadly be in other parts than Talk Ivy.
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I don't think it is. The blanks remain and there are difficulties elsewhere. Be happy for any threads to be transferred elsewhere. But I think it'll all run out of steam. Maybe its day is over after all.
I've seen a few articles reprinted online recently, ranging from 1976 to a few months before Quad came out, all UK publications and all dealing with youngsters who were mods. Wearing vintage clothing, riding scooters, listening to 60s music plus select bands of the time, etc. So the mod resurgence had already started and would have continued without that film, although probably not to quite such an extent. It also would have probably appealed to the same types it appealed to.
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'76. Yes. You've stirred a vague memory. When did I buy the album? Probably '75. Just as a fan of 'The Who'; nothing more. Must have seen that front cover image then. A kid with a scooter, back to the camera. Heavens, I was fifteen.
Yes the Glory Boys and others had been at it for a bit.
I got to know some older guys who had never stopped and were still around (I got to know them in early 80s). They had subsumed themselves into the Soul scene and ordinary life but kept at it, then kind of resurfaced late 70s. I went to the wedding of one of them in I think 85/86.
Would owning a Vespa or Lambretta have been a big deal by then? I remember only a tiny handful doing so by 1979.
Yes there had been a parallel pre-scooter boy trend that had continued right through the 1970s. There are pictures of Smoothies on scooters. Crews still with strong regional identity and going to the coast. It was still a vague thing in Northern Soul scene too. I have older friends who stayed with scooter and rallies without much attention through 70s long after their scene associations had gone. If anything the scooter scene had become regional and linked to socialising. There were former Mods on our street as a kid, who were now in their thirties who still had scooters and later became sort of mentors and protectors when Mod came back.
I went to Whitby in 1980 and there was a huge scooter rally, far beyond new-Mods - it was incredibly exciting and dangerous seeming. Seemed to cut across almost every scene, just loads of young people out for fun, into scooters.
The rockabilly into psychobilly came first via the new-Teds morphing into Rockabilly, our very own Lloyd J selling leather and rockabilly jackets late 70s. Then the Cramps/KingKurt thing came in from about 82/83 onwards and had a specifically non-Mod scooter boy thing. We had very strange nights with loads of Mod, then Northern Soul (acceptable to scooter boys and Mods), then Psychobilly (just some of the the scooter boys and Psychobillies) then the white garage R&B (Psychobillies, scooter boys, some Mods, the ones from Northampton like the Psychodots used to love that). Great mixed up times. People paint the UK as grim, but I had a blast despite the numerous things I wince at thinking back.
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Citizen Smith came out in 1977. He rides a Lambretta. I can only assume it's comedic shorthand to reinforce the fact that he has no money, no prospects and no interest in trying to look remotely fashionable. (He initially rode an LI, then later a GP.) Of course, nowadays such scooters are highly fashionable (probably not so much with youngsters) and worth a lot. (Also much targeted by thieves.)
But that was in London. I believe further north scooter clubs were quite popular in the 1970s. Indeed I read that most of the extras in Quad were members of northern scooter clubs (who had to receive haircuts and more appropriate clothing).
Yep those old SoulBoy/Suedehead/late Mods/'79 Mods etc are all buying up vintage Lambrettas with their early retirement/bonuses money and spending years doing them up. It's a real thing going on. They spend a huge amount on that and re-buying the vintage vinyl they had before and more.
I love the music, collect it but I don't care to spend on vinyl yet again. Thankfully my poor-ish eyesight means a scooter isn't tempting for me.
Both the 1980s scooter boy/scooterist and pyschobilly scenes were full of fascists. Who of course tried to be as prominent as possible. Even in recent years I've read reports of far right organisations having stalls at scooter events.
You're right Yuca, apparently it never seemed to die out in Yorkshire (and weirdly Northamptonshire). Yorkshire had a whole thriving thing going on, but it didn't look the same - haircuts and the like as you say. To a certain extent as I described before it was true in Notts too, when I was a young tiny teen Mod in early 80s, I was often hanging around with some serious men in their thirties or even more. Bit dodgy possibly when you reflect back, but these were decent blokes who'd had a few scrapes along the way and made a life. If anything they'd protect you from a beating, smuggle you into King John pub and buy you a pint. Tell you to sit in the corner, keep quiet and you'd soak up them talking about music, clothes and...er... more. Some very big moustaches though.
And to add, Geordie was a married older Mod who never stopped it and had a Scooter and Sidecar for the wife!!
Yep the scooter boy side of things did get very 'This is England'. I kept away and the older guys steered us away from it. The Notts Mods were from all aspects of the country so that fascist stuff didn't stick near us thankfully.
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