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#1 2021-10-08 01:27:25

A Fine Sadness
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'There Is A SOFTNESS in the Ivy Look...'

I knew I'd find that, sooner or later.  Just reflecting upon some threads concerning sta-prest and other 'Spirit Of '69' style clothing.  It was an early thread of mine and Gibson was in a corrective frame of mind.  How right he was to be so. 
I had a moment of doubt and pain the other day when turning up an on-the-surface rather nice looking gingham shirt that turned out to be, of all things, a Ben Sherman.  Poly/cotton I suppose; I didn't pursue the matter.
But - Sta-Prest.  Were they/are they not just a little too unyielding for a true 'Ivy' feel?  Gibson, then, mentioned corduroy and velvet.  Further back, I dangled a kind of 'Roy Strong Ivy' look, but there were no takers. 
I think I'll revisit that old thread and see if GG had anything else to say.  After my croissants.

 

#2 2021-10-08 02:21:43

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Re: 'There Is A SOFTNESS in the Ivy Look...'

Yes, GG came out fighting.  Said his piece then buggered off.  As he does. 
Anyway, I've always admired him for coming from where he does and not letting much of it rub off on him.  I was always surrounded by 'hard nuts' and the potential for violence never really receded.  Kicking against it got me into a lot of trouble until I was about twenty.  After that they left me alone.  But my wife says I still look fierce.  It's actually chronic myopia.  Apparently John Lennon had the same problem.
GG mentions elsewhere the 'arrington and the smooves.  I have the smooves and can still look with a grain of nostalgia upon an 'arrington.  But the chances of me wearing one again are wafer thin.  Better to go with the fly-fronted macs.  I envy An Unseen Scene his Prince Of Wales number. 
For me, posting back in 2008/9 it was a steep but very rewarding learning curve.
Gibson, though, remains unique.  Thank heaven for it.

 

#3 2021-10-08 04:01:21

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Re: 'There Is A SOFTNESS in the Ivy Look...'

As Staxfan I think mentioned the wearing of Levi Sta-prest was dropped pretty quickly by some of us, for the Levi 5 pocket cords in light colours. It may have been a softness thing.


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#4 2021-10-08 04:03:34

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Re: 'There Is A SOFTNESS in the Ivy Look...'

Don't like velvet anything, even on women.


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#5 2021-10-09 01:47:44

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Re: 'There Is A SOFTNESS in the Ivy Look...'

Definitely no velvet around my way in ‘69, as RobbieB mentions plenty of Levi cords, now 2 years later and the move away from Ivy to the French look there were velvet jackets & trousers everywhere, although I never had anything velvet, We must be kindred spirits Robbie !

 

#6 2021-10-09 02:17:51

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Re: 'There Is A SOFTNESS in the Ivy Look...'

Stax, who would have worn velvet?  And why?  And was it authentically a 'French' look?  We read about the Minets, but their style appears to have been very different and not, I don't think, very durable.  The orthodoxy goes that young men who began courting wanted to look presentable in front of the girl's parents.  So - longer hair and velvet?  Or longer hair and penny round collars?  Be a rush for those cords if they were still on offer.  I had a pair of Levis needlecord from the US some years ago.  Didn't like their styling, though.

 

#7 2021-10-09 05:41:26

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Staxfan, definitely kindred spirits. I reckon there are still a few of us around. Your moniker suggests you were a fan of Stax and
musically for me (at that time) it went Stax, Atlantic and then Motown with Motown considered a bit on the commercial side.


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#8 2021-10-09 06:00:20

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Re: 'There Is A SOFTNESS in the Ivy Look...'

AFS - The French Look ( or style), is just a general term I believe for (say), fitted jackets, (small) flared trousers, fitted / patterned shirts, shoes from 'Topper' , can't recall anyone calling it TFL in '71, I read some old posts on one post you're 're-booting' today, comments from Chris Hardy hit the nail on the head, TBH wearing these clothes in '71 at 18 yrs old with a long barnet you could pull a better class of girl/woman, and yes their parents didn't think you were a knucklehead, so a  more acceptable look to the older generation at that time !
RobbieB - Agree with your comments re music , as with the clobber musical tastes moved post '70, I like to think I've got a fairly broad taste these days, but nothing hits the spot like Otis or Aretha ,

 

#9 2021-10-09 09:21:38

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I bought the History of Otis Redding from a shop in the  Tottenham high road when it was released, as an American import. I took it to school and as a 14 year old I gained a lot of brownie points. Sad day when he died. I can still remember where I was when I heard the news. I was a big fan of Otis and you are right it still hits the spot. I still have the LP but it's not in the best of condition now. I also like to think I have a broad taste in music these days.


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#10 2021-10-09 13:35:26

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Re: 'There Is A SOFTNESS in the Ivy Look...'

I remember the period Staxfan is talking about, although I never heard it called ‘The French Look’. Feather cut hairstyle like Rod Stewart, tight fitting flares, platform shoes, flowery shirts with big round collars, short waisted  ‘Budgie’ jackets with round collars and suede panels - that were named after the character played by Adam Faith in the TV series of the same name, he wore that style. Afghan coats were also cool especially if paired with a real Afghan hound, but I never got to that level. It was the short lived glam rock era and probably the most effeminate male style since regency dandies. Fortunately no photographs of me still exist.


Staxfan - if you wish to revisit the style someone is still making the jackets here :

https://mendozamenswear.com/shop/jackets/two-tone-nappa-leather-budgie-jacket/

There’s some real horrors on that site.


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#11 2021-10-09 15:05:46

Yuca
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Re: 'There Is A SOFTNESS in the Ivy Look...'

Mendoza Menswear – For the modern day Dandy.

Their words (and capitalization) not mine. Must send Chens the link.


some sort of banal legitimacy

 

#12 2021-10-10 01:52:40

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Re: 'There Is A SOFTNESS in the Ivy Look...'

Thanks for the tip Woof, but those days were definitely left behind in the ‘70’s ! , as a final comment on this subject I’d say the clobber from Squire shop, Quincy etc was a lot more subtle than some of the more outrageous high street offerings, think early Faces as opposed to (say) Sweet .....

 

#13 2021-10-10 02:43:27

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Re: 'There Is A SOFTNESS in the Ivy Look...'

In a slightly different context, furniture and design, the great Lesley Jackson claimed that 'style' in England went into more or less terminal decline after 1967.  When did the Sixties stop Swinging?  Around then, I suppose.  I remember chaos and confusion in carpets, curtains and wallpaper: everything ill-defined.  Even my father wore purple flares for a while, and my mother had me in a highly ludicrous 'Chelsea Set' outfit by 1970.  There was a lot of orange and purple - and stripes.  Then - shock - a dreadful mixing of black 'arringtons, Levis, brogues, tank tops, segs in cheap loafers and snide crombies.  Then - only slightly later - sideburns and tashes.  Did England ever quite recover?  Hate to say this but it was a better look than now: shell-suit or t-shirted grannies: walking sticks, fake tans and bling.  Or, still, in our neck of the woods, Mister Saggy Tracksuit Bottoms and baseball cap.

 

#14 2021-10-10 03:38:34

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Re: 'There Is A SOFTNESS in the Ivy Look...'

I’m sure that orange and brown striped upholstery hastened the decline of the British car industry, I suppose it matched the rust.


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#15 2021-12-17 06:13:44

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Re: 'There Is A SOFTNESS in the Ivy Look...'

This was kicking around a while back. 
Somewhere, TRS spoke of corduroy being the Number One Ivy fabric/look.  Who am I to disagree?  Perkins in 'Psycho'.  Cassavetes in 'Rosemary's Baby'.  Sir Roy Strong.  I like it, even as a coat collar.  Slightly baggy cords are a good, soft look, even when pleated.  JFM spoke of Mr. Simons wearing a pair in cream.  Others wore them in navy.  I have chocolate Bean pincord and would like more.  Wrong for a shirt, though, I think.  I could not get on with the JS popover.

 

#16 2021-12-19 12:21:12

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Re: 'There Is A SOFTNESS in the Ivy Look...'

This SOFTNESS would certainly exclude those Ralph Lauren work boots.  Red Wings are bad enough, heaven knows.

 

#17 2021-12-19 12:23:20

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Re: 'There Is A SOFTNESS in the Ivy Look...'

Also that bloody denim chore jacket...

 
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