This reminds me of Shaw and his two nations divided by a common language.

As Woofboxer more or less says elsewhere, we're digging and raking over very old ground.  If JFM were still running the show we could hear all about the lengthy discussions he had with Nathan, Charlie Davidson and the kid running the elevator at the Empire State Building.  But he isn't and I've no intention of doing so. 
I value Skipper and what he has to say; and others like him.  But the raking and digging is unlikely to stop and it's possible very little new ground will be covered.  As Woof said, it's a quiet corner of the internet. 
Please discuss something you're interested in.  It's debate only.  No bitter arguments. 
Some have spoken of the sinking feeling when finally getting to Brooks.  US posters - or those looking in - may wonder what the devil we Brits are talking about when 'Talking Ivy'. 
Small wonder, I suppose.