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#1 2021-10-15 08:50:25

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Maison Bertaux

One for the Soho-slinking London Modernists.  It might be a pain to find an image but it crops up in the slightly naff BBC detective series from the 90s, 'Between The Lines'.  Mo, the DS and her lover, Kate (an appealingly sullen actress called, I think, Barbara Wilshire) pay a visit.  Okay, it's only on screen for a few moments but even brief shots of modern Soho are better than nothing.  Just as modern Soho is better than no Soho.  Watching again the other week, I thought to myself, I bet John Simons bought a vanilla slice from there...

 

#2 2021-10-15 11:00:49

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The Squire Shop is glimpsed in a video of Soho  late 60s I think. It's on YouTube


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#3 2021-10-16 07:39:03

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Maison Bertaux is what's left of old Soho. Much has changed and much has been lost, but MB, and the wonderful Wade sisters who run it, enriches the soul with every visit.

I have seen that footage where you get a glimpse of The Squire Shop in the 60s and the camera tracks down Brewer Street - very evocative stuff. It's in that series Look At Life. I think the theme is The West End or Shopping or Soho. Anyhow it's filmed on a very hot sunny day in 68/9 and you get a clear view of the shop front.

 

#4 2021-10-16 10:44:18

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Yes, the Look at Life series is worth a watch on YouTube.


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#5 2021-10-24 06:17:34

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Some nice stuff about Soho in the 60s in 'The Observer' today.  Good snap of a woman smoking with a nattily-dressed black guy behind her.

 

#6 2021-10-24 06:27:05

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There's a real fascination about the Soho of old, isn't there? - reflected in some of the high prices asked for books on the subject.  I did have a little library at one time - and I think our old Cardiff poster Staceyboy did, too.  I used to love Jeffrey Bernard in 'The Spectator' - when he was well enough to write his column.

 

#7 2021-10-24 06:30:28

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Intrigued to see how the setting of Edgar Wright's film Last Night In Soho has been done.

 

#8 2021-10-24 06:40:28

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I'd be very keen to see it; wouldn't you?

 

#9 2021-10-24 12:18:49

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Better get in there soon if you fancy a visit, as when you go their website there is a crowdfunding appeal for funds to assist them meet rising costs etc and keep trading


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#10 2021-10-24 17:07:00

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I'm still drawn to Soho almost by instinct. So many memories for me - my first visit to Bar Italia in 84, before I'd moved down here, the Bar quiet, Frith Street quiet, some old Italians huddled in the corner watching Rai Uno on the TV, sipping espresso. Lorelei on Bateman Street, Centrale on Moor Street, Pollo Bar and Amalfi on Old Compton Street - all gone. God I've turned into such an old fart banging on about the past. Of course much had already been lost before I arrived - great old restaurants, butchers, delis, clubs, coffee bars. I arrived at the peak of Soho Brasserie and thought I was part of the beau monde as I sipped my citron presse in the Soho Brasserie and flashed my 501s, white socks and Bass Weejuns - very much the hip look of the day with the Wag Club/Jason Jules/Robert Elms kind of crowd who I publicly scorned but secretly kind of admired. A few years later I sold a pair of Weejuns to Sade and Paul Weller in J.Simons so I guess I had socially climbed quite rapidly within the rather narrow confines of the hip London clothes scene.

 

#11 2021-10-24 17:25:23

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Sade was quite a honey back in the day. 61 years old now but I bet she looks good for her age.


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#12 2021-10-25 18:18:01

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I went to a book launch at Central St.Martin's 7 or 8 years ago and she was there, being very low key and avoiding all eye contact with perverts like me, but she looked good. I wanted to go up to her and say "Sade - Robert Elms! Why? How could you? Explain the appeal of the ginger scrawn." But I didn't.

 

#13 2021-10-25 18:58:45

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She may well have asked herself that many times.


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#14 2021-10-25 23:27:57

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Robert Elms and Sade. One of life's great mysteries.

I guess we have all 'punched above our weight' a few times in life.
Listening to his radio programme in the early days he seemed to mention her almost every show.


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#15 2021-10-26 01:20:16

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If I had dated Sade, I think I would be mentioning it every other hour, to anyone who was within earshot.

 

#16 2021-10-26 04:54:29

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Perhaps they were just mates, definately a mis-match,
on the subject of Robert Elms I've listened to him getting in/out of the car over the last (maybe) 20 years and since last year more regularly, but now they've reduced him to Fri-Sunday which to me doesn't work very well,  although he often gets up himself there is a lot of stuff he covers that I'm sure is interesting to a lot of us on this forum,

 

#17 2021-10-26 07:16:36

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When I worked from home I used to listen to him every day. I even phoned in one day when there was a query regarding dart boards. He just talked over me and the producer was some posh bird that was extremely patronising. We were discussing the east end fives board which I used to play in pubs on the Isle of Dogs. I find him too London centric and his anti Beatles thing (which I partially agree with) is tiresome.

And yes I would brag about it if I had jiggy with Sade.


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#18 2021-10-26 07:47:56

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I took against Elms after reading his book some years ago.  His Mum scrimped and scraped to buy him some jeans and he threw a hissy fit because they weren't 501s specially imported for him from the USA or some such palaver.  What a knob.  Sade was a doll but nothing compared with Donna Summer circa '76 - and her music was, quite frankly, nothing much.

 

#19 2021-10-26 11:25:20

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It seems Elmsy's a bit marmite. I only really listen to him on Friday's when I'm off work. I suppose if I was listening all week (well not now as he's been shafted by the Beeb and only works Friday to Sunday) to him he may have grated on me, and as RobbieB said his anti Beatle agenda is bit tiresome. But to his credit he supports the Arts and MOBO.

 

#20 2021-10-26 15:41:34

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This book published next month may appeal:

Some Kinda Soho

https://www.centralbooks.com/some-kind-a-soho.html#horizontalTab3

The voices of disappearing Soho

 

#21 2021-10-28 05:26:23

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'Soho So Boring'.  That was Jeffrey Bernard some thirty years ago (from memory: one of his articles in 'The Spectator', my Friday treat whilst living life as a single parent in a rather dreary council maisonette). 
'Our Friends In The North' is almost worth watching for the recreation of sixties Soho.  Anecdotes about Muriel Belcher are better.  A couple of excellent books on the darker side are those by Donald Thomas. 
Anyone eaten at 'The Stock Pot'?

 

#22 2021-10-28 05:45:14

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There has been a programme on BBC one set in 'London's Swinging Sixties' about the social changes that I couldn't watch.

I read loads of books about Soho - Daniel Farson, Bacon, Bernard as you say (a nice Radio4 play/recreation with John Hurt too), Dog Days in Soho, the Litvinoff book etc. I certainly do not have any rose tinted glasses about it all. 

While researching the Sportique shop on Old Compton Street (a John Michael Ingram shop, the place for knitted ties at the time amongst much else) - I found this from one of the originals, which goes nicely alongside the John Rushton interview from yesterday.  This is short (and not Ivy) but definitely worth reading for interest in Soho, early/pre-Mod modernism etc.

https://www.timeout.com/london/shopping/wayne-kirven-style-icon-for-60-years-and-counting-tells-his-london-story

 

#23 2021-10-28 06:12:47

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Interesting content flagged up there once again Unseen thanks.

Daniel Farson was generally propped up in the corner of the bar in the Golden Tap, Barnstaple, North Devon when I worked there. Local lore had sightings of him walking hand in hand on Westward Ho beach with ‘Cliff’, although this was never confirmed to me.

‘Sportique’ was a model of the Vespa 150 and I had one as my first motor vehicle. 251 LUO - I wish I still had it now, it would be worth a few quid now with all these old Mods cashing their pensions in.


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#24 2021-10-28 07:26:23

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Wayne is another one of those people who I can't claim to know personally but is certainly a friend of friends. A good mate of mine from a lifetime ago - "Rockin' Dave" shows up in his music video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzIyGwmAhCI should you really want to subject yourself to it..) along with another few faces that would be familiar to me from nights hanging out at The New Evaristo and club nights such as "Lady Luck" (briefly held at The Raymond Revue Bar) and The Black Gardenia club. My first job was on Berwick Street, working on a fruit & veg stall but by then it was a grotty street with the only redeeming features being the record shops and Simply Sausages.

 

#25 2021-10-28 08:31:07

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I had a mate who was manager for a print shop in D'Arblay street. Around 1971. He did printing for nearly all the small businesses in the area. I sometimes met him on a Friday night after work or even better Saturday lunchtime. He was able to get us in all sorts of places because he did special deals on their printing. I regret that I have little memory of those times because I tended to think about Soho as a tourist trap or a place 'old' people used

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