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#26 2021-10-25 10:54:02

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Re: A Dedicated Black Music Thread

House Party was a  huge hit in the clubs around 80/81.

 

#27 2021-10-25 11:01:47

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If we are talking Black music I would like to throw African artists Fela Kuti, Hugh Masekela and Miriam Makeba into the mix.
I worked in East and West Africa for short periods of time as a young man and at an outside dance place in Nigeria I heard Fela Kuti for the first time. As a big fan of James Brown I was blown away by Fela.
I started listening to other African music and was lucky to see Hugh Masekela in a South London club. He was outstanding.


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#28 2021-10-25 12:40:03

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Masekela would be my favourite of those 3, although the other 2 were brilliant too. He really did some wonderful tunes.

When I was in the UK I had the pleasure of studying African drums (although I didn't take it as seriously as I could have) which was a wonderful experience in many respects, and certainly prepared me for more recent studies in Latin percussion.


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#29 2021-10-25 12:43:34

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House Party is a classic. That period (late 70s/early 80s) had so many killer tunes. All Chic's hits of course, then there was Got to be Real, Do it to the Music, Space Bass and loads more. Not that I had any interest at the time, but I was DJing quite a bit around 15 years ago and such tracks mixed very well with funk and disco-based music of the time.


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#30 2021-10-25 14:00:50

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An interesting read and some good shots, including a raincoat that is the perfect length:

https://www.southerncultures.org/article/for-the-records-how-african-american-consumers-and-music-retailers-created-commercial-public-space-in-the-1960s-and-1970s-south/


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#31 2021-10-25 15:41:08

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Thanks I'll give that a read, whilst at school I was listening to a lot of smooth soul O'jays, Moments, Isley's etc. When I was appoaching 16 I got a Saturday job in our local Wimpy, washing up, doing drinks. The Saturday girls were all my age, I got on well with them as we used to have a laugh. Anyway they got me listening to, Parliament & Mandrill and also told me a club  they used to go Sunday nights, which I started going to on a regular basis. Which a few years later led me down the Jazz Funk (Caister) route. Going to different clubs in London & the South East, following DJ's who were playing great music and not top 20 disco & soul.

 

#32 2021-10-25 16:05:24

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Sounds good.

The Dramatics are another of my favourite 70s soul bands.


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#33 2021-10-25 18:07:37

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Afrodisia - Kenny Dorham. Blue Note 1955. A remarkable tune. Still fizzes with such energy and invention. First heard it on that great South Bank Blue Note documentary from the mid-80s which opens with a shot of journalist Richard Cook's (RIP) black Bass beefroll loafers (from JS) strolling into Dobells (RIP) in Tower St, Covent Garden. Reid Miles total bonkers, taking the piss out of Alfred Lion's German accent - real knockabout stuff.

And if we're letting pop/rock in the mix, the I have to admit that to this day I am still spellbound by The Jam's Eton Rifles, 42 years after it was released. Watching Weller playing it live on Something Else in '79 was an erotic experience for a young heterosexual man, and it still is today. Of course I subsequently reinvented myself as a sophisticated connoisseur of the subtleties of the natural shoulder, complex syncopation and delicate vocal harmonies, but The Jam in 1979 rocked my little scouse head, and still do if I spend too long on youtube...

 

#34 2021-10-25 18:55:51

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We weren't letting pop/rock in the mix, but you can have a pass for one mention of Weller.

I think I must be the only post 1960s mod to have zero Weller in their music collection. Although I did like The Style Council in around 1985.


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#35 2021-10-26 00:55:14

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When I stopped going out on a Saturday night we used to listen to the Style Council on record and 'Dinner Jazz' on the radio.
Mick Talbot from SC went up in my estimation when I saw him wearing full ivy in Oxford Street about 1985


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#36 2021-10-26 01:05:47

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In 1967 a new boy started at our school.He was from South of the river and when he moved to our area in brought his record collection with him.
Reggae, Ska, Bluebeat and a bit of Calypso. Loved all of it. We started going to Notting hill carnival every August bank holiday to listen to the sound systems and soak up the atmosphere.
In the 70s he went on to DJ in East End pubs including the Beggars, Hospital Tavern and Globe. He got rid of his Reggae and gradually moved to playing Rock. His dress changed as well and I ended up with all his button down shirts. That early/ mid 70s was a strange time for some of us.


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#37 2021-10-26 01:33:41

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Have Kenny Dorham's Afrodisia on a Bluenote compilation album "Blue Bossa" Gilles Peterson played it on his Radio London Jazz show quite a lot mid 80's.

 

#38 2021-10-26 02:13:44

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Talbot got the thumbs-up from our Gibson, who used to serve him and the other chap (Weller, is it?) at 2 Russell Street.  Talbot appears to have been 'considered' in a way that Weller possibly wasn't.  'Considered' can be a tricky option for the younger man, and I suppose one of the oddities of Ivy dressing is that sense of discipline one needs in terms of style, colour etc.  I found it took a bit of learning, shifting from 'bells and whistles' to 'going unnoticed'.  Mind you, a Madras jacket or seersucker suit will certainly reverse that effect.  I once wore pink seersucker in this rather dull little town of mine.  I reiterate, once.  I guess it looks 'American' all right, but a khaki pair proved the better option in the end.  A pastel shirt, however, is fairly commonplace, is it not?

 

#39 2021-10-26 02:50:29

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Just to pick up on Robbie's comments on reggae, we were aware of some of it fairly early on: especially Desmond Dekker.  It was considered far cooler to listen to Prince Buster (to give an obvious example) than almost anything else.  A bit 'older brother' if you know what I mean.  I was buying some of the poppier stuff like 'Sideshow' and 'Ire Feelings Skanga' by what - 1974?  Then came Dillinger, Tapper Zukie etc. and a lot of the fun seemed to go out of it.

It seems a lot of old soul still gets played near me.  A trendy bar features Motown, a pub has Hector DJing from time to time.  Hector was always well ahead of the game in the Midlands, moved to London, but is now back home.

 

#40 2021-10-26 02:55:22

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'Sideshow', I note, was 1976.  I seem to recall 'MPLA' from around 1975.  Delroy Wilson and others are still worth a listen, I think.  I could no more listen to the likes of Prince Far-I now than all that punk garbage I devoured as a callow youth.

 

#41 2021-10-26 04:53:02

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Prince Buster was big in about 64 (and then later) with Mods from the mile end road. I was on Canvey Island with brother, mum and dad Bank holiday when a small gang appeared singing Al Capone.
Desmond Decker slightly lower down in the pecking order. When he played live at the Ilford Palais my cousin jumped on stage and started dancing with him. Whenever I see my cousin he still talks about it.
Bob Marley we considered almost 'middle of the road' until he became really famous.


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#42 2021-10-26 05:01:33

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Robbie - my Wife also saw DD at the Ilford Palais , must have been the same gig ! ,

 

#43 2021-10-26 07:01:09

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Staxfan from your messages I'm convinced our paths have crossed. One of the old posters  Brideshead used to travel from Chelmsford to the Ilford Palais and Cooper's Arms. I think he was at the DD concert. It's like some secret society on here with people passing by, maybe with a nod, and moving on until the next time. Kindred spirits.


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#44 2021-10-26 11:03:17

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My Wife was a bit surprised when I mentioned to her Brideshead travelled from Chelmsford to The Coopers Arms Romford, she thought it was a long way to go for a punch-up ! Fortunately I can't recall any of that when I went there with her, they'd probably got rid of the troublemakers by then!

 

#45 2021-10-26 13:15:06

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Staxfan- I always felt in my comfort zone in the Cooper's but you did have to watch your step. Your wife probably knew the Merry Fiddler's pub in Dagenham and the Westbury Arms in Barking. Good chance of a punch up in those pubs


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#46 2021-10-26 17:04:46

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RG: I mentioned the Blue Bossa comps on page 1 of this very thread. Just looking at the first one now: of the 8 tracks, Patato is a guest on 3 of them. Many experts rate him as literally the greatest conga player ever. Impossible to prove or ever reach a consensus on, of course, but he certainly sounded sweet.

However it's track 1, Congalegra by Horace Parlan, that remains the standout for me. Written by Ray Barretto, who also guests on it. Maybe because it's actually composed by a giant of Latin music it works so effectively. I've used it for DJing purposes over the years and it's certainly got people going crazy on the dancefloor. I don't mean old men like us, I mean honeyz.

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#47 2021-10-26 17:07:33

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Blue Bossa 2 has some beautiful cuts too.


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#48 2021-10-26 17:23:20

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The Blue Bossa albums were a revelation - ah, so jazz can actually be ENJOYABLE! And I agree about Ivy Micky T. He often came in J.Simons and, unlikely his flashier bandmate, always chose the most low key, subtle items of clothing - penny Weejuns as opposed to fringe and tassel for wide boy Weller.

 

#49 2021-10-26 17:29:51

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I must admit, jazz without Latin percussion seems to be lacking something and I don't really bother with it now. Except for the very bluesy stuff, which I also love.


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#50 2021-10-27 01:04:30

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Found a picture yesterday of several fat men and an elderly lady taken at Chiltern Street.  On closer inspection the elderly lady turned out to be that chap who used to be in a band called The Jam - Weller? 
I didn't choose to listen to jazz until I was knocking thirty.  My first hero was Parker.  I was somewhat put out when, years later, my Dad said he really wasn't a fan.  I began listening to chaps like George Lewis last year.  An interesting contrast to what Philip Larkin referred to as the bagpipes and concrete mixer noises of Ayler, Shepp et al.  I mean players like Lewis actually make you shake your leg and shout 'Yeah, man!'

 

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